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Sep 8 2023 10:29am
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No, it's politically salient. Biden's argument for reelection (aside from gaslighting Americans on why they should feel great about the economy) is that he's defending American democracy. Ignore that "democracy" means you must only vote for one party (even voting 3rd party is dangerous), Biden's path back to the White House is to convince Americans that Republicans are sufficiently criminal such that a vote for him is the only reasonable option.

Juxtaposed with the mountain of evidence that Joe Biden was personally complicit in his son's vast bribery ring and that argument falls apart. Republicans should and are hammering away at inflation, the trillions in wasted green subsidies, and Biden's (attempted) trillion dollar handover of public funds to those fortunate enough to possess college degrees. But it's also essential that they tie Biden personally to the corruption American's see in the upper echelons of power.


no. biden's whole gameplan is the same as 2020, "i'm not trump, and i'm not more scary".

the only people who ever cared about the defending our democracy stuff were solid leftists. centrists just want to know if the person who isn't trump is also not more extreme or worrying to them. there's a fringe case for people who are already leftists but weren't motivated to vote otherwise, and biden gave them a safe motivation to vote.

that defending our democracy stuff wont play any better in battleground states like PA, WI, OH, IN etc any better than "hes a racist, homophobic, mysogonistic, etc" stuff did there in 2016.

shout from the roof tops how terrible the economy is for middle americans and trump could sweep every purple rust belt and midwest state. focus on Hunter and people will get bored into flipping a coin in the voting booth.

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no. biden's whole gameplan is the same as 2020, "i'm not trump, and i'm not more scary".

the only people who ever cared about the defending our democracy stuff were solid leftists. centrists just want to know if the person who isn't trump is also not more extreme or worrying to them. there's a fringe case for people who are already leftists but weren't motivated to vote otherwise, and biden gave them a safe motivation to vote.

that defending our democracy stuff wont play any better in battleground states like PA, WI, OH, IN etc any better than "hes a racist, homophobic, mysogonistic, etc" stuff did there in 2016.

shout from the roof tops how terrible the economy is for middle americans and trump could sweep every purple rust belt and midwest state. focus on Hunter and people will get bored into flipping a coin in the voting booth.


The problem is hunter is just a small part of this. Every week more evidence implicates joe Biden.
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Sep 8 2023 10:45am
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The problem is hunter is just a small part of this. Every week more evidence implicates joe Biden.


where have i heard that before? ahh yes, when trump was president, and each week a BOMBSHELL investigation implicated him.

in the end it was covid, a tanking economy, and a few self owns that took him down.

people expect politicians to be self serving corrupt nepotists, they dont expect their grocery bill to double. remind them of what they dont expect.
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where have i heard that before? ahh yes, when trump was president, and each week a BOMBSHELL investigation implicated him.

in the end it was covid, a tanking economy, and a few self owns that took him down.

people expect politicians to be self serving corrupt nepotists, they dont expect their grocery bill to double. remind them of what they dont expect.


But all the stuff levied on trump were fake. Or do you believe the russiagate story?
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Sep 8 2023 10:48am
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But all the stuff levied on trump were fake. Or do you believe the russiagate story?


you people have a hard time in this thread, im not speaking about me. im speaking to tactics that can win or lose in the coming election.

1/2 of what was said about trump was 100% fake, 1/4 was embellished, 1/4 was legit. but when 50-60% of the country believes it all and votes, well guess who wins?
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Sep 8 2023 10:54am
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you people have a hard time in this thread, im not speaking about me. im speaking to tactics that can win or lose in the coming election.

1/2 of what was said about trump was 100% fake, 1/4 was embellished, 1/4 was legit. but when 50-60% of the country believes it all and votes, well guess who wins?


Then why mention it. Fake made up stories is not the same as taking bribes from Ukraine, Russia, China

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Sep 8 2023 10:57am
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Then why mention it. Fake made up stories is not the same as taking bribes from Ukraine, Russia, China


Because it fits the topic i am talking about, not the topic people constantly try to talk to me about.

we're in an election cycle, i'm interested in these two topics:

1. how does biden beat trump
2. how does trump beat biden

so, if something comes out i do a calculation on if it fits into those 2. and emails to a joe secret gmail where hunter is cc'd dont. sorry. the truth doesnt always have impact, and lies never should but often do.
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Because it fits the topic i am talking about, not the topic people constantly try to talk to me about.

we're in an election cycle, i'm interested in these two topics:

1. how does biden beat trump
2. how does trump beat biden

so, if something comes out i do a calculation on if it fits into those 2. and emails to a joe secret gmail where hunter is cc'd dont. sorry. the truth doesnt always have impact, and lies never should but often do.


If I had to guess you are a democrat supporter. Please elaborate on your position. If the person I'm most likely voting for in the next election Pierre poilievre was involved in a major scandal I would be concerned and would want to learn about it, it may affect how I would vote.

I think these emails are very important. The coming weeks the Republicans are gearing up to start the impeachment inquiry if Kevin has the balls to initiate it. I think these emails are the snowball at the top of the mountain, I'm waiting for the avalanche

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If I had to guess you are a democrat supporter. Please elaborate on your position. If the person I'm most likely voting for in the next election Pierre poilievre was involved in a major scandal I would be concerned and would want to learn about it, it may affect how I would vote.

I think these emails are very important. The coming weeks the Republicans are gearing up to start the impeachment inquiry if Kevin has the balls to initiate it. I think these emails are the snowball at the top of the mountain, I'm waiting for the avalanche


i am a libertarian centrist who votes for both parties regularly. usually every time i enter a voting booth i leave it having voted for both parties at different levels.

but you still dont seem to be grasping what im saying. scandals do change who i personally vote for, but thats because im smart and do research. and yet im one vote, even if i convince 20 people we're just 21 votes. what matters are the voting patterns of millions that wont be swayed by truth, politicians know this, which is why they seek to sway the masses. this hunter biden nonsense isnt going to sway masses, so its a misplay, and im calling it out as such. just as i said the russiagate investigations were a waste of time and money, which they proved to be. just as when trump told his voters not to vote by mail i said it was a big mistake, and it proved to be.
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I can respect that position

From what I can tell the American landscape, Democrats republican dosnt matter. The deep state runs america. I'd like to see trump get one more term to see if he can dismantle it
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