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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 20 2024 02:08pm)
US interests, probably.


He was going after Hunter Biden’s business partners. Nice try.
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This video is good for Biden. The Ukrainian prosecutor at the time was corrupt and he used his leverage to get him fired. That's what a US leader is supposed to do.


We all know that wasn't Biden's intent... Some1 behind him pulling the strings. The man can't think on that level anymore.
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bogus dude is going to visit east palestine the place that had that big train wreak
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bogus dude is going to visit east palestine the place that had that big train wreak


He already gets heckled by Palestinians wherever he goes
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lol brandon went on tick-tok to rap it up with the kids
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just cant help but think everything bogus dude gets up to is done just to make him look bad?
haha lil kid in video holding a sign "dont sniff me" @ 6:46
MAGA Patriots RAGE At Biden in East Palestine Visit 400 Days After Crash: 'You Abandoned Us' 🤬
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 20 2024 12:53pm)
Nearly every prosecutor, politician and entrepreneur in Ukraine was corrupt. Why did Biden use his leverage to fire this particular one? Which geopolitical or national security interest did the United States have in removing this specific guy?


That's about as useful as saying all politicians lie. Sure, politicians lying is endemic, but there are varying degrees, and rational people can discern which politicians lie more than others.

Why did the Obama administration and other Western governments want the guy fired? Were they all acting as agents for Hunter Biden, or is it more likely they believed(rightly) he was corrupt? I don't understand how this talking point remains alive when you can go do a google search and see that the firing of that prosecutor was desired by multiple governments.
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Quote (IceMage @ 17 Feb 2024 22:16)
That's about as useful as saying all politicians lie. Sure, politicians lying is endemic, but there are varying degrees, and rational people can discern which politicians lie more than others.

Why did the Obama administration and other Western governments want the guy fired? Were they all acting as agents for Hunter Biden, or is it more likely they believed(rightly) he was corrupt? I don't understand how this talking point remains alive when you can go do a google search and see that the firing of that prosecutor was desired by multiple governments.


Are you referring to this report?
https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Fact%20Sheet%20re%20Firing%20of%20Viktor%20Shokin.pdf

To be honest, all I can see in this summary are sources form within the Obama/Biden admin (in which Biden had significant freedom and authority on matters related to Ukraine), plus one EU figure welcoming the firing of Shoking after it had already happened, plus some voices from within Ukraine (where anyone in an office like Shokin's would always have plenty of political opponents). So I don't really see any hints for "other Western governments" being after this guy in particular, and the "multiple governments" boil down to the US government (whose handling of Ukraine was managed by Biden) and the Ukrainian government which was aligned with and dependent on them.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 17 2024 05:59pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 17 2024 03:58pm)
Are you referring to this report?
https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Fact%20Sheet%20re%20Firing%20of%20Viktor%20Shokin.pdf

To be honest, all I can see in this summary are sources form within the Obama/Biden admin (in which Biden had significant freedom and authority on matters related to Ukraine), plus one EU figure welcoming the firing of Shoking after it had already happened, plus some voices from within Ukraine (where anyone in an office like Shokin's would always have plenty of political opponents). So I don't really see any hints for "other Western governments" being after this guy in particular, and the "multiple governments" boil down to the US government (whose handling of Ukraine was managed by Biden) and the Ukrainian government which was aligned with and dependent on them.


https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

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https://www.ft.com/content/e1454ace-e61b-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

European and US officials pressed Ukraine to sack Viktor Shokin, the country’s former prosecutor-general, months before Joe Biden, the former US vice-president, personally intervened to force his removal, people involved in the talks said. Mr Biden did not act unilaterally nor did he instigate the push against Mr Shokin, despite suggestions to the contrary by supporters of US president Donald Trump, people familiar with the matter said.

The circumstances of Mr Shokin’s sacking, which took effect in March 2016, have become a flashpoint in the impeachment saga enveloping US president Donald Trump.

Democrats accuse Mr Trump of putting pressure on Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, to investigate Mr Biden and his son Hunter, who served as a board member of a prominent Ukrainian gas company for several years, to benefit the president’s own re-election campaign in 2020. Mr Trump and his allies, including Rudy Giuliani, his personal lawyer, have retorted that the request was entirely legitimate, arguing that Mr Biden had forced Mr Shokin’s removal by withholding a $1bn loan guarantee, to protect his son from an anti-graft investigation.

EU diplomats working on Ukraine at the time have, however, told the FT that they were looking for ways to persuade Kiev to remove Mr Shokin well before Mr Biden entered the picture. The push for Mr Shokin’s removal was part of an international effort to bolster Ukraine’s institutions following Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the armed conflict in the eastern part of the country.


The decision was welcomed by the EU, which shows that they wanted it to happen obviously. There's articles showing the IMF and EU wanted him gone but it's not as apparent as I recall. I recall the Irish government calling for it but I can't find that. Even still, I don't think there's real evidence that firing the guy had anything to do with Joe Biden looking out for his son.

I guess the best argument is that Biden was doing something, backed up by Obama and other governments, which helped his son. But to pretend it was him on a solo mission is silly.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 17 2024 06:43pm
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