when trump says the swamp is full, no one marches. when he says the election was fraudulent people march on the capital the day of the certification of the electoral college and send death threats to officials. interestingly enough the way to disseminate what is and isnt dangerous, is to identify where there is and isnt danger.

but as i said, to be clear once again, this is so far as i have read a show trial. it's neither the straw that will break MAGA's back, nor is it a threat to our democracy and the first amendment. the charges are clear, that a conspiracy took place to fraudulently overturn the results of a STATE election. this isn't a trial on Jan 6th activities, this isn't a trial on the US electoral college, this is a targeted charge. one that will ultimately fail and change almost no views, but could set precedent in how people react in these situations AND more importantly give transparency in the process, as well as shed light on how little evidence Trump had when he started making claims. as if anyone with an IQ over 40 doesnt already realize he "knew" it was fraud the moment he lost.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 16 2023 11:17am

and to add on this is the same reason i supported the Russiagate investigations and the Mueller report. not because i believed there would be even a shred of incriminating evidence but because without transparency false narratives fester. they still do to a lesser extend but even keeled centrists look at these things and see the matter as settled.

I talk to people all the time, the best people, all the people tell me they say sir, you talk to people all the time, the best people, and I say sir, you just said sir, you talk to people all the time, the best people

the people:

His speech is dangerous because people listen to him? How many tyrants throughout history have been motivated by this exact same thought process about rabble-rousers and their popular following? Its a tired enough trope that its in an andrew lloyd webber musical about some unwashed jew. Again, what could possibly be more antithetical to the concept of the first amendment than declaring that a politician expressing his viewpoints is too dangerous to be permitted and must be cause to imprison him? That's exactly what freedom of speech was enshrined to guard against. So heretics, activists, dissidents and freethinkers aren't at the mercy of an authority that declares what is and isn't too dangerous to be said out loud, or who's become so popular they pose an existential danger to the crown.

Your nailing this Goomshill.

I see that, conveniently, no one is talking about what Hillary did. rules for thee but not for me.

Makes sense, Hillary isn't dangerous because nobody listens to her and she's always had zero supporters

honestly this level of hackery is beneath you. you keep stating over and over that this is "just him expressing his opinion", in which case that would mean the charge is incitement of violence which would be protected by the first amendment. When in fact they're not charged with incitement, they're not charged with defamation, they're not charged with hate speech, or anything else related to speech.

the speech is SOME of the evidence, the charge is racketeering as a criminal enterprise related to treatment of officials and voting machine breech. there are in fact 41 counts, related to various schemes the DA alleges are criminal, none of which afaik relate to his "opinion" the election was fraudulent. they're in fact charges related to his attempt to defraud the election himself.



its easy to "nail it" if the one reading the posts has no idea what is happening. seriously m8 go read a neutral source on what the charges actually are if you think gooms posts make any sense. they're just a bit whining pile of non-facts unrelated to the actual charges.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 16 2023 12:41pm

Donald Trump is a Crook, a Criminal, a Liar, and he should be in Jail. But he did not try to overthrow the government. They are throwing the book at him in the hopes that something will stick (hint: something will stick). However, by this same point, Hillary Clinton also committed acts which, if they occured in any sane country, would have her locked up, noting she did try to pull several fast ones.

Ultimately there is a credible Risk to US Interests, both home and abroad, if Donald Trump were to be re-elected. He almost broke the pillars of democracy in the US. Therefore his political enemies will ensure that he can not run for president. He will be jailed by his political opponents, 100%. Joe Biden's son by all accounts should also be in jail and he is a liability to Joe Biden, who apparently ordered a terrorist attack on an allies infrastructure (Nord Stream 2).

All in all, the rest of the world would appreciate it if the US did not destroy itself and the rest of the world with it. Make Peace not War ok.

I cannot understand the rationale of US politics. In no other country that I can think of has half of the country been turned into the enemy and in no other country is bribery changed to "lobbying". It is literally broken. I mean, if 90% was at war with 10% (pakistan) fine, but 50% vs 50%, that is such a mess.

Culture Wars, contriving to destabilize the world, when there are real problems all around. Madness.

This post was edited by ferdia on Aug 16 2023 01:37pm

If he was charged with incitement to riot or terroristic threats than there would be a legal pretense, however false it would be, that his speech was a direct violent exhortation when divorced from its political content, the bar for such an exception to free speech. Instead he's being charged specifically because of the merit of his speech, its political content, which makes this far worse. What you're saying isn't some excuse for these charges to exist, its what makes them all the more egregious. They are arguing that he committed a crime by the very statements that the election results were illegitimate, that fraud occurred, that it was stolen from him, that the legal process should rule in his favor. The very fact that he petitioned the courts for redress of a grievance is charged against him as a crime.

I'm trying to wrap my head around how you don't see what a straight revocation of our basic civil liberties is presented by such an argument. There's nothing more fundamentally protected by our first amendment than political speech. What was Brandeis's quote? "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is shut the motherfucker up and throw his ass in prison"

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 16 2023 01:25pm

Leaving aside if Trump is guilty or not. The left have thrown more indictments and accusations towards Trump than any political opponent in history. They are going after him with froth forming in the corners at the mouth hoping something sticks as they throw more lawsuits.

So far most if not all accusations have been complete witch hunts which ironically rally more support for Trump.

Peter can cry wolf only so many times.

This post was edited by addone on Aug 16 2023 01:57pm