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Jul 31 2023 09:31am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 31 2023 10:22am)
I don't think this is true or can be achieved. Something like 75-80% of people in the US live in urban or suburban environments. I have a garden at home of like 150-200sq ft and sure it's nice to have homegrown tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, herbs, but if I had to rely on it solely to survive I would die within a month. Community gardens are great but they are supplemental in nature and can never really replace wholesale food needs the way our cities are setup now.

I agree with you somewhat, I think self-sufficiency is really nice, and my wife and I are currently trying to buy a home with at least like half an acre but even then, to assume if 2/3 of that is be allocated to some food production, we'd still starve to death if only relying on it. She comes from a farm-family and they had about 30 acres, yeah that's actually realistic if you want to be self sufficient but what % of Americans can actually secure even 1/10th of that living in or around a city? Not even going to mention how work intensive and time consuming it would be to cultivate and going through the whole process would be.


correct, by that statement which wasnt worded well i meant "the most prudent way currently to divest from corporatized food is to produce it yourself". both because non-corporates food is extremely expensive and many organic and other foods are just corporatized foods in disguise.

as to striving to self produce it is very difficult. i've got an acre and have transformed it into a food forest, almost every area of my property is growing something, while allowing some space for my kid to play in. even then i still have a weekly grocery list, it's just far smaller than it used to be. buying local beef and pork at least has me personally not buying much store bought meat, as that's the biggest health issue imo of store bought items.
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Jul 31 2023 12:49pm
Quote (Malopox @ 30 Jul 2023 06:07)
Yes as humanity didn’t evolve from craving fast carbs like sugar and people struggle to develop their prefrontal cortex in their childhood and lack impulse control and free will.

We have added sugar to EVERYTHING in the past 50 years.

This video below explains well about sugar addiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhwlyop7fKs


you fail to understand the argument

in your video every single thing leads up to corporations being money hungry pigs that will put profits before things such as nutrition levels, un healthy compounds, actually feeding people...

thats the point, thats what OP wants to stop.

you try to argue that one can simply just buy from another vendor but your model doesnt work for a country of 330 million. Sure OP himself can go to local butcher and watch the guy cut the meat and then take it home and cook it but 330 million people cant do that, because of these money grabbing corporations

your own video you post crushes your own 'muh capitalism' argument.

Im not even necessarily against your argument its just you used a really fucking stupid example to show why capitalism is awesome when the whole fucking hour 40 minute video is about how corporations are fucking us with poison every day. Wake up.

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Jul 31 2023 12:53pm
Quote (Crunkt @ Jul 31 2023 01:49pm)
you fail to understand the argument

in your video every single thing leads up to corporations being money hungry pigs that will put profits before things such as nutrition levels, un healthy compounds, actually feeding people...

thats the point, thats what OP wants to stop.

you try to argue that one can simply just buy from another vendor but your model doesnt work for a country of 330 million. Sure OP himself can go to local butcher and watch the guy cut the meat and then take it home and cook it but 330 million people cant do that, because of these money grabbing corporations

your own video you post crushes your own 'muh capitalism' argument.

Im not even necessarily against your argument its just you used a really fucking stupid example to show why capitalism is awesome when the whole fucking hour 40 minute video is about how corporations are fucking us with poison every day. Wake up.


Lmao spot on Crunklad
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Jul 31 2023 01:41pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 1 2023 12:58am)
And I will use that shit to grow potatoes. Checkmate carnivores.


Don't kid yourself 1 cow feeds a family for a year, provides milk, cheese, yogurt, fertilizer for the land, mows grass, it's hide makes me shoes and clothes, gives you all the the nutrients your body needs and makes you ripped eliminating the need to supplement and worry about being sick. Have fun with low t, diabetes and autoimmune diseases that comes with vegetarian diets.

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Jul 31 2023 02:40pm
Quote (addone @ Jul 31 2023 09:41pm)
Don't kid yourself 1 cow feeds a family for a year, provides milk, cheese, yogurt, fertilizer for the land, mows grass, it's hide makes me shoes and clothes, gives you all the the nutrients your body needs and makes you ripped eliminating the need to supplement and worry about being sick. Have fun with low t, diabetes and autoimmune diseases that comes with vegetarian diets.


You do know that even during the high time of homo sapiens meat portion of the calorie intake was low. The gathering part was much bigger than the hunting part during the hunt itself. Most researched hunter gatherer societies had close to zero cardiovascular diseases linked to high meat consumption. The wear and tear on teeth showed wear due to consumption of nuts, roots and other plant based diet identified by isotopes (we're talking about individuals from 40000 - 10000 BC). There were hunter gatherers with very high amount of meat intake in the northern hemisphere due to lack of plant based diets than in areas closer to equator but because hunting game was unpredictable, their density was super low. 4 square KM per person. The HG populations in the northern hemisphere were very small.

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Jul 31 2023 02:56pm
Quote (Crunkt @ 31 Jul 2023 20:49)
you fail to understand the argument

in your video every single thing leads up to corporations being money hungry pigs that will put profits before things such as nutrition levels, un healthy compounds, actually feeding people...

thats the point, thats what OP wants to stop.

you try to argue that one can simply just buy from another vendor but your model doesnt work for a country of 330 million. Sure OP himself can go to local butcher and watch the guy cut the meat and then take it home and cook it but 330 million people cant do that, because of these money grabbing corporations

your own video you post crushes your own 'muh capitalism' argument.

Im not even necessarily against your argument its just you used a really fucking stupid example to show why capitalism is awesome when the whole fucking hour 40 minute video is about how corporations are fucking us with poison every day. Wake up.


Sugar bad, evil capitalism.

Did I get that right.
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Jul 31 2023 05:28pm
Quote (babun1024 @ Jul 31 2023 08:03am)
Eating meat more than1 time per week is unhealty for men.


Sorry just reviving this comment
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Jul 31 2023 05:38pm
Quote (KeeperHalidom @ Aug 1 2023 01:28am)
Sorry just reviving this comment


It was answered in post #86 in this thread.
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Jul 31 2023 05:45pm
Eat meat 7 days a week typically. 100% self harvested from hunting, fishing. Gather eggs as well from geese and freeze them for the entier year.

Zero harvastable fruits or veg here outside some mountain sorrell. Everything is vastly too dry this year for any tundra berries sadly. The tundra is almost crispy this year due to mass heatwaves.

Even in my remote little spot it's amazing how much food product goes into the dump. I routinely go there for parts since we have no stores and the provincial and federal govts are the worst culprits. Entier seacans worth of dry goods tossed because something passed a date. Stuff like coffee, juice. Condements, etc that don't actually go bad but they can't risk liability and need room for this year's stock. All in a place with the worst food security in Canada. It's atrocious.

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Jul 31 2023 05:59pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Jul 30 2023 07:56am)
as a very conservative right wing trump supporter I agree with you

the best way to make america great again is take the issue of worrying about food off the table so that people can focus on becoming the greatest versions of themselves



fantastic, now keep that same attitude about affordable housing, healthcare and education....then we'll be in fucking business !!!!!
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