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Apr 2 2023 08:45am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 11:41am)
straw-manning the shit out of the opposition to defend the murdering of innocent people. shameful behaviour.

- literally no one denied there are nazis in ukraine. not as many as in russia, but they are there.
- literally no one denied civilians were killed in donbas. not for shits and giggles, but due to an astro-turfed "uprising", russian invaders trying to fabricate an excuse for an invasion, but yes, civilians died.
- literally no one denied there is corruption under zelensky. not as bad as under yanukovych, let alone as bad as in russia, but there certainly is.

none of those things even REMOTELY justify an invasion (particularly by a country that is considerably worse in all of those areas), the killing of countless innocent human beings, the destruction of a country. stop making excuses for war mongers. and yes, that's exactly what you're doing with those posts - no need to clutch your pearls in protest, kremlin bot.


Same tired arguments from an ignorant clown, you are getting boring Fender. Cry more.
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Apr 2 2023 08:51am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 04:41pm)
straw-manning the shit out of the opposition to defend the murdering of innocent people. shameful behaviour.

- literally no one denied there are nazis in ukraine. not as many as in russia, but they are there.
- literally no one denied civilians were killed in donbas. not for shits and giggles, but due to an astro-turfed "uprising", russian invaders trying to fabricate an excuse for an invasion, but yes, civilians died.
- literally no one denied there is corruption under zelensky. not as bad as under yanukovych, let alone as bad as in russia, but there certainly is.

none of those things even REMOTELY justify an invasion (particularly by a country that is considerably worse in all of those areas), the killing of countless innocent human beings, the destruction of a country. stop making excuses for war mongers. and yes, that's exactly what you're doing with those posts - no need to clutch your pearls in protest, kremlin bot.


i was not talking to you and not a single person in this forum ever said that one thing justifies another

nice to see you being closer to the truth, but dont act like you were not the one spamming everyone with "KREMLIN BOT PROPAGANDA REEEEEEEEE", when somebody mentioned what a nazi infested shithole ukraine is
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Apr 2 2023 08:59am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 2 Apr 2023 16:51)
i was not talking to you and not a single person in this forum ever said that one thing justifies another

nice to see you being closer to the truth, but dont act like you were not the one spamming everyone with "KREMLIN BOT PROPAGANDA REEEEEEEEE", when somebody mentioned what a nazi infested shithole ukraine is


i already inb4'd your transparent "i DiDn'T eXpLiCiTLy sAy tHaT" pivot. might as well skip the pearl clutching. you were clearly suggesting that, couldn't be more obvious.

also, those are things i've been saying for a year now - ever since you pootin apologists started pointing out issues in ukraine in order to justify the invasion - ironically by a country that is worse in every single one of those aspects...

ukraine / zelensky / NATO / US / EU... whoever you want to blame and smear - it's irrelevant. none of them have to be perfect or morally flawless in order to reject this senseless killing of innocent people. your transparent attempts to blame the victims and excuse the aggressors has long been exposed as the braindead pro kremlin hackery it is. if you don't want to be called a kremlin bot stop posting kremlin bot things. it's that easy.

friggin' war apologists...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 2 2023 09:00am
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Apr 2 2023 09:05am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 11:59am)
i already inb4'd your transparent "i DiDn'T eXpLiCiTLy sAy tHaT" pivot. might as well skip the pearl clutching. you were clearly suggesting that, couldn't be more obvious.

also, those are things i've been saying for a year now - ever since you pootin apologists started pointing out issues in ukraine in order to justify the invasion - ironically by a country that is worse in every single one of those aspects...

ukraine / zelensky / NATO / US / EU... whoever you want to blame and smear - it's irrelevant. none of them have to be perfect or morally flawless in order to reject this senseless killing of innocent people. your transparent attempts to blame the victim has long been exposed as the braindead pro kremlin hackery it is. if you don't want to be called a kremlin bot stop posting kremlin bot things. it's that easy.

friggin' war apologists...


Lol look how mad he is. Been copy pasting this shit for months bro, how is it going for you?

Go volunteer, I'm sure we can get the forum to crowd fund your trip to the front.
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Apr 2 2023 09:08am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 04:59pm)
i already inb4'd your transparent "i DiDn'T eXpLiCiTLy sAy tHaT" pivot. might as well skip the pearl clutching. you were clearly suggesting that, couldn't be more obvious.

also, those are things i've been saying for a year now - ever since you pootin apologists started pointing out issues in ukraine in order to justify the invasion - ironically by a country that is worse in every single one of those aspects...

ukraine / zelensky / NATO / US / EU... whoever you want to blame and smear - it's irrelevant. none of them have to be perfect or morally flawless in order to reject this senseless killing of innocent people. your transparent attempts to blame the victims and excuse the aggressors has long been exposed as the braindead pro kremlin hackery it is. if you don't want to be called a kremlin bot stop posting kremlin bot things. it's that easy.

friggin' war apologists...


there is a difference between facts and what you personally want to be true and me being a war apologist, thats an opinion you have exclusively

i was supporting a compromise to prevent an escalation the entire time, meanwhile people like you are almost in a pre world war 1 hysteria just because you want to be right no matter what

and thats all this is, you dont give a fuck about ukraine, its just about you presenting yourself as the good guy with moral superiority and clever opinions

you are/have none of that, absolutely zero
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Apr 2 2023 09:35am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 2 Apr 2023 17:08)
there is a difference between facts and what you personally want to be true and me being a war apologist, thats an opinion you have exclusively

i was supporting a compromise to prevent an escalation the entire time, meanwhile people like you are almost in a pre world war 1 hysteria just because you want to be right no matter what

and thats all this is, you dont give a fuck about ukraine, its just about you presenting yourself as the good guy with moral superiority and clever opinions

you are/have none of that, absolutely zero


i never cared much about ukraine, never wanted them (or most or eastern europe for that matter) in the EU, never was too bothered by their domestic issues. i'm confident in claiming that (minus the EU part maybe) is true for 99.9% of this sub.
nowadays i DO give a shit - because innocent people are being killed by the thousands, a country is being invaded and destroyed (by a dictator who i have been criticising for many years btw, while authoritarian bootlickers like yourself have been fawning over the strong man image he cultivated), and everything i buy has gotten a whole lot more expensive due to russia's attempt to conquer foreign territory.

if the concept of people caring when bad shit happens is genuinely incomprehensible / shocking to you, you clearly lack real human interaction. in the real world, that's what the overwhelming majority of people (at least those who aren't brainwashed sociopaths spending their life in extremist online echo chambers) do.
maybe leave your little room once in a while.

you trying to portray empathy with the ukrainian people and the rejection of moronic war justification attempts as some kind of moralistic histrionics, just illustrates how disconnected you are from reality.

This post was edited by fender on Apr 2 2023 09:57am
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Apr 2 2023 09:43am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 02:40pm)
now you're just making stuff up. i debunked your moronic "naval base" talking point - only THEN did you jump to other dumb talking points, trying to justify the murdering of women and children, and the destruction of a whole country...


You debunked nothing unless you think you debunked history.

Drones gonna drone, lol


Quote (Neptunus @ Apr 2 2023 02:53pm)
I give you 3 paragraphs and a link, you respond with 1 paragraph which is essentially "lol no ur wrong" and you obviously never even knew about this naval base thing. You said Russia didnt have naval bases in Finland and you were proven plain wrong. It was in use by Russian SFSR after the Winter/Continuation war up until 1956 and given back to Finland just like Crimea was given to the Ukrainian SSR by the Russian SFSR in 1954. The similarities are there but you just say "lol no theyre not the same".

Nothing will make you change your mind. Youre a contrarian who wants to feel special and different, nothing else. Youre acting in bad faith and out of some primal fear of being labeled a drone. The irony is that in doing so, you actually end up being exactly what you fear to become the most - a drone. Its like incels terrified to death of someone even potentially seeing them as simps or cucks to the point they deteriorate to defining themselves through simping, as "anti-simps". Sounds like identity politics to me.

Not to mention you disregarded the differences between the patterns of tension growth in the 2000s compared to the 50-60s vs 80s.


Do you even read the sources that you provide?

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At present, the Porkkala area houses one of the main bases of the Finnish Navy, located in Upinniemi, near Porkkala proper.


That's a Finnish base and Russia has nothing to do with it, has no interest in it and is NOT causing tensions

The present conflict takes place in Ukraine where Russia has an important naval base in Crimea, territory that has historically been theirs for hundreds of years

Your claim that the Finnish naval base historic situation compares to the Russian naval base in Sevastopol is laughable.

Laughable
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Apr 2 2023 09:46am
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You debunked nothing unless you think you debunked history.

Drones gonna drone, lol




Do you even read the sources that you provide?



That's a Finnish base and Russia has nothing to do with it, has no interest in it and is NOT causing tensions

The present conflict takes place in Ukraine where Russia has an important naval base in Crimea, territory that has historically been theirs for hundreds of years

Your claim that the Finnish naval base historic situation compares to the Russian naval base in Sevastopol is laughable.

Laughable


imagine talking about "history" and not knowing that russia already annexed the whole of crimea in 2014, completely debunking the moronic "sevastopol naval base" talking point... the irony...
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Apr 2 2023 09:48am
Quote (fender @ Apr 2 2023 05:46pm)
imagine talking about "history" and not knowing that russia already annexed the whole of crimea in 2014, completely debunking the moronic "sevastopol naval base" talking point... the irony...


Stop making shit up, drone

I've mentioned and linked sources regarding what happened in 2014 at least a dozen times in this topic ;)

Drones gonna drone
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Apr 2 2023 09:50am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 2 2023 05:43pm)
You debunked nothing unless you think you debunked history.

Drones gonna drone, lol




Do you even read the sources that you provide?



That's a Finnish base and Russia has nothing to do with it, has no interest in it and is NOT causing tensions

The present conflict takes place in Ukraine where Russia has an important naval base in Crimea, territory that has historically been theirs for hundreds of years

Your claim that the Finnish naval base historic situation compares to the Russian naval base in Sevastopol is laughable.

Laughable


You seem like a very nice and useful person irl
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