Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 18 2023 05:43am)
i am not the propagandist thats what you are, obviously.....
Being able to be mostly safe in having an even vicious and doompilled critique of liberal society is one of the great advancements of liberalism. You can scream and bitch all you want about how bad things are here, that's not the issue.
What is very profane in liberal societies is pointing out something that's actually pretty obvious: Some non-liberal societies, China included, are
not only not as bad as liberal societies, they are quantifiably
better. Say something like that, and immediately the defense mechanism of liberalism comes out: rights, rights, rights. But it's a mirage. Liberalism is hostile to rights to the degree that they can affect the material base of society. You can speechify, unless it's too popular. You can protest, unless it's too inconvenient. You can organize, unless it threatens property relations.
It's a sham system whose glory days were derived from the threat of a good example and imperial plunder. Forced to grapple with the former re-appearing and the latter disappearing, it produces the polls I cited above, and the nonsense responses you'll get from people like the vi***n Frenchman here.
This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Mar 18 2023 11:59pm