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her job is to keep her cushy mini throne in the swamp. the swamp GOP establishment loves being the useless annoying opposition, gives them more fuel to run for re-election on

cheney doesnt care if “republicans” get elected. she knows the swamp will always support her lust for war

The Republican party needs Trump's voter base to win elections. Cheney is going out of her way to aggravate those voters. I don't know whether she wants to lose elections in perpetuity, or if she's delusional, but her job is to elect Republicans, and she's not doing her job.

It's a thorny predicament. Biden ran as a moderate and has governed like a radical. The Democratic party is pushing to federalize election law, stack courts, and weaponize the bureaucracy. Allowing Biden to create a racialized, apartheid state is obviously untenable. On the other hand, give too much ground to the worst voices on the new right and the country is doomed.

What's clear, though, is that the Republican party cannot go back to the party of Bush. Cheney needs to accept that the party has moved beyond her. If the base was ever with her, it isn't' now.

Biden isn't governing like a radical in and sense lol. My god you're detatched from reality.

If the party needs people to cast doubt on the election instead of calling out crazy lies trying to destabilize our democracy its not worthy of winning anymore.

You're sidestepping most of the points I made and then pretending that Cheney getting booted from leadership is about the party changing on policy, which is obviously not the case.

Also, what behavior would the Flight 93 justification not allow? When Trump won the election I never would've imagined all the horrible shit that has happened since... and yet normie Republicans like you are with him(in practice, which is all that really matters) because of the Flight 93 logic.

Probably worth noting that even normie Republicans say stuff like "Biden's creating a racialized, apartheid state", which I think is a sign of how nutty the party has moved the past couple decades.



Biden is a dangerous radical, therefore we need to keep the guy who lost to him as leader of the party, and when that guy spreads lies that lower voter turnout for Republicans, those in leadership who tell the truth about it need to go.

And Bogie can't even acknowledge or discuss the dynamic going on here.

I disagree with the notion that Biden has governed as a radical - he's been more liberal than I would have thought, but I wouldnt go as far as calling him radical. The Democratic party, however, has absolutely been pushing a lot of really radical pieces of legislation, particularly in the House.

The house is always more extreme than the senate. That's basically their job. 2 year terms and all that. Gotta make a splash before reelection season.

He's having a tough time with his critical thinking skills. When you are fed bullshit over and over again, it deteriorates your mind. I agree with the notion that Biden has governed to the left of where we expected. However, most of his work has been dedicated to the pandemic and proposing legislation that will have a tough time being passed. I agree that the House proposes radical things but that's pretty standard. Is it any more or less radical than what was discussed in 2018? I remember the House under the GOP governing to the right of the GOP held Senate. The House is going to House.

What do you think the policy should be regarding the idea that the election was stolen? Do you think the GOP should just ignore it? Right-wing media continues to perpetuate the lie because they make a lot of $$ off of viewers. Obviously it's going to come up in 2022 AND 2024 because it's the elephant in the room. Should the GOP collude with right-wing media and tell them to not cover the election anymore?

By the way, Stefanik (whose history includes voting for John Kasich in 2016, not attending the 2016 GOP convention due to Trump winning, and voting against all of Trump's legislative achievements) was on Steve Bannon's show the other day and perpetuated lies that 25% of Atlanta's votes were fraudulent. You can't make this shit up! Words matter and there's a reason why the vast majority of Republicans believe that Biden unfairly won. This is textbook cult behavior.



What happened man? You used to be one of the most reasonable conservatives on this forum. Maybe you need to take a break from politics because you've gone in a really unhealthy direction.

1. No, the Republican party does NOT need Trump's voter base to win elections. There are other, viable strategies to consider. Is it the lowest hanging fruit in the short-term? Probably. But it's an extremely poor strategy for the long-term health of the Republican party. It's gone to a very dangerous place. I don't think Cheney is going out of her way to aggravate Trump voters. She's going out of her way to tell the truth whenever Trump lies. Trump should stop lying and focus on the issues that are actually WINS for the GOP (opening schools, the economy, immigration, etc.) I'd argue that spoon-feeding low information voters lies is significantly worse at aggravating the voters.
2. Biden governing like a radical? LOL! Please, tell the community how he is governing like a radical with specific examples. I think we'd all enjoy a laugh during these difficult times. Your rhetoric has no basis in reality and it's no different than the Democrats who were saying that Trump wanted to ethnically cleanse this country.
3. I agree that the GOP can't go back to the party of Bush. That was 20 fucking years ago and times have changed. The GOP needs an actual PLAN for the future. How are we going to deal with Iran getting a nuclear weapon? How are we going to be competitive with China? How are we going to deal with declining birth rates? How are we going to deal with the debt? How are we going to educate our children and prepare them for the year 2150 and beyond? I know what the Democrats plan is for a lot of the issues (and quite a bit of it is terrible) but the GOP is just smoke and mirrors.

Some things Biden is completely yielding to the left, other things like corporate taxes he's starting from a leftie negotiating point but he well knows those numbers will move down.

It's standard negotiation tactics here IMO. Ask high knowing after it's all said and done you won't get the asking price but something lesser. I think that's the tactic with corporate taxes and even some spending stuff.

As far as GOP cleaning house from the detractors what exactly is wrong with that? Natural consequence if you go against your party. Are Rinos surprised about this or?

His starting point for corporate taxes is lower than it was under Obama. He's not even asking to go back to the pre-Trump tax rates. He's proposing a 15% minimum tax, that's maybe what you're referring to? Becauseif you're just referring to his 28% proposal, that's starting from a ridiculously right wing position and then compromising from there to the right.

GOP clearing house is wrong because their metric is "not willing to undermine American Democracy to suck up to the previous president". In principle there's nothing wrong with clearing house of dissidents, but in practice they're not basing it on policy or sensible governance.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 8 2021 12:17pm