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Jul 1 2022 02:18pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ 1 Jul 2022 22:06)
I just read it. This bill basically allows the president to declare an emergency, or “proclamation of international crisis” if any gas company sells gas at an “unconscionably excessive” price which “takes advantage” of the consumer.


Power grab for the president voted no by all republicans and 4 democrats.


let me guess, the president declaring national emergency, leading to a record shutdown, to fund a demonstrably pointless vanity project - that was completely ok with you - but declaring an emergency to stop highly subsidised, record profit making, oil companies from price gouging is unjustifiable overreach, right? yeah, sure... first day following politics?

there are no excuses, this is simply republicans using gas prices as political tool, and you admitting that won't change anything, it'd just make you a bit less of a hack, that's all. again, republicans have already won on this, americans are too stupid and too tribal to realise this anyway, so there's really no point in keeping up the charade...
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Jul 1 2022 02:20pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 1 2022 04:13pm)
Strange how quickly you went from "i am 110% sure it has nothing to do with price gauging" to "its a power grab for the president to declare emergencies only in the authority of gas prices during said emergencies".

sounds like you were 110% wrong. im not for expansion of the executive branch either, i just feel dumb when i'm wrong on basic facts tho.



Strange how you cannot read between the lines, yet find it clever to insult me. Obviously the language relates to oil prices and price gouging, but that is not the intention of the bill.

Can you explain what this bill will actually do to lower gas prices? It says the gas prices have to stay close within geographic areas. This is how gas prices have worked since the beginning of gas stations. The only thing this bill does is put in writing the business may be fined for something they wouldn’t do in the first place, because the consumer will simply go to the next pump. So a new emergency declaration seems to be the main focus of this bill, and whatever executive decisions that come along with that. We have a president who is very public with his intentions on destroying the oil industry, yet this bill granting him power is somehow going to be good for the consumers of oil?

I feel like we could have had this conversation without you being extremely rude. I am glad the users are showing colors within the first couple replies to me.

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Jul 1 2022 02:25pm
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Jul 1 2022 02:22pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 1 2022 04:18pm)
let me guess, the president declaring national emergency, leading to a record shutdown, to fund a demonstrably pointless vanity project - that was completely ok with you - but declaring an emergency to stop highly subsidised, record profit making, oil companies from price gouging is unjustifiable overreach, right? yeah, sure... first day following politics?

there are no excuses, this is simply republicans using gas prices as political tool, and you admitting that won't change anything, it'd just make you a bit less of a hack, that's all. again, republicans have already won on this, americans are too stupid and too tribal to realise this anyway, so there's really no point in keeping up the charade...



This is the first time you have replied to me, and I am already a “hack”. Again colors shine almost immediately.
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Jul 1 2022 02:38pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 1 2022 03:20pm)
Strange how you cannot read between the lines, yet find it clever to insult me. Obviously the language relates to oil prices and price gouging, but that is not the intention of the bill.

Can you explain what this bill will actually do to lower gas prices? It says the gas prices have to stay close within geographic areas. This is how gas prices have worked since the beginning of gas stations. The only thing this bill does is put in writing the business may be fined for something they wouldn’t do in the first place, because the consumer will simply go to the next pump. So a new emergency declaration seems to be the main focus of this bill, and whatever executive decisions that come along with that. We have a president who is very public with his intentions on destroying the oil industry, yet this bill granting him power is somehow going to be good for the consumers of oil?

I feel like we could have had this conversation without you being extremely rude. I am glad the users are showing colors within the first couple replies to me.


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(i) grossly exceeds the average price at which the applicable gasoline or other petroleum distillate was offered for sale by that person during the 30 days prior to such proclamation;


Lowering gas prices is not the stated aim of the bill, it is to prevent undue increases during time of crises. essentially locking prices in for 30 days at a time during a crisis to what the price was approximately for 30 days prior to a crisis.

i dont support the bill, i dont support the creeping of power in the executive office, but saying this bill has very little to do with price gauging of gas simply because the president is the person who is proposed to declare the crisis is silly. and from a logical standpoint, even though i dont support it, the executive branch is the only branch in washington that is capable of acting with speed enough to do this. congress/senate are too slow and divided, the SCOTUS obviously doesnt have purview here.

if a hurricane changes course, and now thousands who thought they'd face heavy rain will now be facing potential death, and all start to flee, the president is the only person who could declare a price freeze on the gas stations in that area to prevent stations from all charging 10$/gallon to rake cash from fleeing people. im a believer in the free market, and dont like any price controls, but the fact that the president is the only one with speed to act and the bill is about price gauging of gas are basic facts. i dont generally bother to be nice who are just clearly too stubborn to say they're wrong, if you do i'll be happy to not only be nice but apologize for being rude.
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Jul 1 2022 02:53pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 1 2022 04:38pm)
Lowering gas prices is not the stated aim of the bill, it is to prevent undue increases during time of crises. essentially locking prices in for 30 days at a time during a crisis to what the price was approximately for 30 days prior to a crisis.

i dont support the bill, i dont support the creeping of power in the executive office, but saying this bill has very little to do with price gauging of gas simply because the president is the person who is proposed to declare the crisis is silly. and from a logical standpoint, even though i dont support it, the executive branch is the only branch in washington that is capable of acting with speed enough to do this. congress/senate are too slow and divided, the SCOTUS obviously doesnt have purview here.

if a hurricane changes course, and now thousands who thought they'd face heavy rain will now be facing potential death, and all start to flee, the president is the only person who could declare a price freeze on the gas stations in that area to prevent stations from all charging 10$/gallon to rake cash from fleeing people. im a believer in the free market, and dont like any price controls, but the fact that the president is the only one with speed to act and the bill is about price gauging of gas are basic facts. i dont generally bother to be nice who are just clearly too stubborn to say they're wrong, if you do i'll be happy to not only be nice but apologize for being rude.



The main point of the bill is to give the president more power to declare emergency. I am glad we both agree on it being a bullshit bill, but I will not simply agree that it is actually about doing anything about gas prices. It is a political move to appear to the people that the democrats are “doing something” and the republicans are “in favor of high gas prices”. That is extremely dishonest.
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Jul 1 2022 02:53pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 1 2022 01:06pm)
I just read it. This bill basically allows the president to declare an emergency, or “proclamation of international crisis” if any gas company sells gas at an “unconscionably excessive” price which “takes advantage” of the consumer. More specifically looks like “excessive” is in relation to the relative area. This bill seems to do nothing more than allow the president to say “emergency”.


Power grab for the president voted no by all republicans and 4 democrats.


well that would work really well because the bogus dude is an honest type of chap he wouldnt exploit nuttin or nobody

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Jul 1 2022 02:58pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 1 2022 01:22pm)
This is the first time you have replied to me, and I am already a “hack”. Again colors shine almost immediately.


yup, lefties are losing across the board. they lost their cucking mask and roe v wade thing, makes them angry and quick on the insult
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Jul 1 2022 02:59pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 1 2022 04:53pm)
well that would work really well because the bogus dude is an honest type of chap he wouldnt exploit nuttin or nobody



Yes, the democrat party in general as of late has been using every excuse to declare emergency and legislate as quickly as possible to capitalize on such emergencies.
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Jul 1 2022 03:00pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jul 1 2022 04:58pm)
yup, lefties are losing across the board. they lost their cucking mask and roe v wade thing, makes them angry and quick on the insult



From my experience most people on the left get very emotional (defensive) when defending their positions. Defensive in the same way an abuser talks about how abusive their spouse is to them.
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Jul 1 2022 03:40pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 1 2022 09:47pm)
meanwhile in reality:

https://i.imgur.com/O3m6TaP.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/ruFImEt.jpg

it's republicans who want high gas prices for political reasons. obviously right wingers are too stupid to realise that (not that they actually cared about the issue in the first place, most of them are committed through tribalism and racism anyway, literally regardless of what republicans do politically), so this won't hurt them. still important to point it out whenever some lazy hacks pretend this is about policy, lol.


president biden cancelled a pipeline on his first day

president biden is one of the people responsible for sanctioning russia (not saying its totally wrong)

president biden is responsible for banning more drilling and not granting permits to increase production which is crippling domestic supply

and you talk about the republicans :rofl:
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