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May 6 2021 10:14am
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The current GOP House caucus has the highest number and share of females in its history. "Cannibalizing" my ass...

that user thinks if people don’t worship a warmongering lifelong swamp demon government official then it is “cannibalism”
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might be old, but

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There’s a saying plastered on the walls of Facebook’s headquarters in Menlo Park, California: “Nothing at Facebook is somebody else’s problem.”

It’s one of the social network’s bedrock principles — the idea that, instead of offloading hard challenges to others, Facebookers should roll up their sleeves and do it themselves.

So it was a bit of poetic justice that on Wednesday, the Facebook Oversight Board — a newish panel of experts charged with ruling on some of the company’s hardest calls on content moderation — rejected the company’s attempt to outsource one of the thorniest tasks in its 17-year history: deciding what to do about former President Donald Trump.

Mark Zuckerberg, the company’s chief executive, had hoped that the board — a group of roughly 20 lawyers, scholars and former politicians — would render up-or-down verdicts on such questions.

Instead, the group handed down another message: Zuckerberg, this problem is yours to fix.

Technically, the oversight board upheld Facebook’s decision to restrict Trump from posting on Facebook and Instagram after the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, which was fueled by election disinformation that Trump shared on his social media accounts.

But the group also criticized Facebook for seeking to “avoid its responsibilities” by giving Trump “the indeterminate and standardless penalty of indefinite suspension,” rather than making a permanent decision about whether to reinstate him, suspend him for a finite period or bar him permanently. And it punted the decision about Trump’s accounts back to the company, saying that Facebook would have to issue a final verdict within six months.

The board’s decision to uphold Facebook’s suspension of Trump was a relief to many at the company, where some employees were privately worried that they would soon face pressure to allow Trump to run wild on their platform again. On Wednesday, the company released a statement saying it was “pleased the board has recognized that the unprecedented circumstances justified the exceptional measure we took.”

But the board’s refusal to settle the larger question of Trump’s Facebook future was a setback in Zuckerberg’s yearslong quest to extricate himself from the center of a global free speech debate, and delegate the responsibility of deciding what Facebook’s 2.7 billion users can and can’t post to a more willing set of referees.

When Zuckerberg first pitched the idea of a “Facebook Supreme Court,” he promoted it as a way to make the company’s governance more democratic, by forming an independent body of subject matter experts and giving them the power to hear appeals from users.

“I think in any kind of good-functioning democratic system, there needs to be a way to appeal,” Zuckerberg told Ezra Klein in a 2018 Vox podcast.

The oversight board also served another purpose. For years, Zuckerberg had been called in as Facebook’s policy judge of last resort. (In 2018, for example, he got personally involved in the decision to bar Alex Jones, the Infowars conspiracy theorist.) But high-profile moderation decisions were often unpopular, and the blowback was often fierce. If it worked, the oversight board would take responsibility for making the platform’s most contentious content decisions, while shielding Zuckerberg and his policy team from criticism.

It’s hard to imagine a dispute Zuckerberg would be more eager to avoid than the one about Trump. The former president rode Facebook to the White House in 2016, then tormented the company by repeatedly skirting its rules and daring executives to punish him for it. When they finally did, Republicans raged at Zuckerberg and his lieutenants, accusing them of politically motivated censorship.

Facebook faced plenty of pressure in the other direction, too — both from Democrats and civil rights groups and from employees, many of whom saw Trump’s presence on Facebook as fundamentally incompatible with their goal of reducing harmful misinformation and hate speech. No matter what Zuckerberg and his team decided, they were sure to inflame the online speech wars and make more enemies.

Before the decision on Wednesday, Zuckerberg and other Facebook executives did everything they could to convince a skeptical public that the oversight board would have real teeth. They funded the group through a legally independent trust, filled it with hyper-credentialed experts and pledged to abide by its rulings.

But for all its claims of legitimacy, the oversight board has always had a Potemkin quality. Its leaders were selected by Facebook, and its members are (handsomely) paid out of the company’s pockets. Its mandate is limited, and none of its rulings are binding, in any meaningful sense of that word. If Zuckerberg decided to ignore the board’s advice and reinstate Trump’s accounts, nothing — no act of Congress, no judicial writ, no angry letter from Facebook shareholders — could stop him.

That paradoxical setup — an oversight board with no legally enforceable powers of oversight — created tension even before the decision on Wednesday. The board has overturned Facebook’s decisions in the majority of the cases it has reviewed so far, and Facebook has pushed back in several instances.

In February, the company rejected the panel’s call to be more lenient with users who posted endorsements of COVID-19 treatments that contradicted the advice of health officials, such as a user who endorsed the use of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to treat the virus. Facebook responded by saying that it would do no such thing, and that it disagreed with the oversight board’s assessment that such posts did not create an imminent risk of harm. (Technically, Facebook was allowed to ignore the board on this point because its statement was a nonbinding recommendation, rather than an official decision. But since this is all corporate Calvinball anyway, I’m not sure the distinction means much.)

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying the oversight board is a useless experiment, or that nothing productive will come from it. From what I know, the board is composed of thoughtful people who care deeply about fairness and free expression, some of whom are agitating for a bigger remit.

I’m not suggesting that Zuckerberg’s making these calls on his own is a good thing, or that the U.S. government would be better at drawing the boundaries of online speech than a corporate advisory panel.

I’m also not saying that other social media platforms are better than Facebook at governing themselves in a transparent and consistent way. YouTube, for example, has said only that it will reinstate Trump’s account at some unspecified date in the future, when it presents less risk of fomenting violence.

What I am suggesting is that all of this — the oversight board, the 9,000-plus public comments it received while deliberating on Trump’s case, the six-month deadline Facebook now faces to render a final verdict — is a weak substitute for actual accountability, or a process that would meaningfully reduce the power Zuckerberg and his peers have over the online speech of billions of people.

Whether you agree with the oversight board’s decisions or not, let’s not kid ourselves about who’s really in charge of Facebook. The social network is still a “Mark Zuckerberg production,” and no quasi-judicial verdict will change that.

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.


This post was edited by KrWWW on May 6 2021 11:38am
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May 6 2021 04:22pm
Liz Cheney needs to go because she won't move on from Trump's attempt to steal the election, and Jan. 6th.

Enter her suspected replacement discussing how they need to keep the Big Lie going:

https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1390320831365066755

Elise Stefanik didn't become prominent in the GOP because she's an ideological leader on the populist right. She's a moderate Republican who worked for W Bush and neo-con foreign policy organizations. She became prominent because she lied for Trump surrounding the first impeachment.

It's about the man. Always has been.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 6 2021 04:23pm
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May 6 2021 05:30pm
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Liz Cheney needs to go because she won't move on from Trump's attempt to steal the election, and Jan. 6th.

Enter her suspected replacement discussing how they need to keep the Big Lie going:

https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1390320831365066755

Elise Stefanik didn't become prominent in the GOP because she's an ideological leader on the populist right. She's a moderate Republican who worked for W Bush and neo-con foreign policy organizations. She became prominent because she lied for Trump surrounding the first impeachment.

It's about the man. Always has been.


They only like women who stay on their knees for the party. All the men are on their knees too tho.

Suckin off the cheetojesus


Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2021 11:28am)
The current GOP House caucus has the highest number and share of females in its history. "Cannibalizing" my ass...


I said smart women. You elect people who barely finished high school lol.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 6 2021 05:38pm
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May 6 2021 05:33pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 6 2021 06:22pm)
Liz Cheney needs to go because she won't move on from Trump's attempt to steal the election, and Jan. 6th.

Enter her suspected replacement discussing how they need to keep the Big Lie going:

https://twitter.com/AccountableGOP/status/1390320831365066755

Elise Stefanik didn't become prominent in the GOP because she's an ideological leader on the populist right. She's a moderate Republican who worked for W Bush and neo-con foreign policy organizations. She became prominent because she lied for Trump surrounding the first impeachment.

It's about the man. Always has been.


It is the same for Cheney.
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May 6 2021 05:36pm
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It is the same for Cheney.


Meaning that she's being ousted for opposition to Trump's horrible, damaging behavior in the past and present regarding the Big Lie and Jan. 6th?

Yes, that's the position I've taken since this whole thing started. Glad you're on the side of the truth on this one Bogie.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 6 2021 05:37pm
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May 6 2021 05:39pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 6 2021 07:36pm)
Meaning that she's being ousted for opposition to Trump's horrible, damaging behavior in the past and present regarding the Big Lie and Jan. 6th?

Yes, that's the position I've taken since this whole thing started. Glad you're on the side of the truth on this one Bogie.


We don't talk about the Republicans trying to overthrow the government enough.
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May 6 2021 05:40pm
Quote (Skinned @ May 6 2021 07:30pm)
They only like women who stay on their knees for the party. All the men are on their knees too tho.

Suckin off the cheetojesus


There's a mix of true believers and those who know that opposing Trump's attempt to overthrow American democracy would alienate enough voters to make the Republican party lose politically in the short-term. Then there's a handful of politicians with a moral compass and a focus on the long-term health of American democracy, and the Republican party.
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May 6 2021 05:47pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 6 2021 04:40pm)
There's a mix of true believers and those who know that opposing Trump's attempt to overthrow American democracy would alienate enough voters to make the Republican party lose politically in the short-term. Then there's a handful of politicians with a moral compass and a focus on the long-term health of American democracy, and the Republican party.



Sad huh not believing in fantasy land makes you irrelevant in the GOP
Says a lot about the voting base
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May 6 2021 05:49pm
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We don't talk about the Republicans trying to overthrow the government enough.


The bold is not even hyperbole. If Trump succeeded in his attempt to overturn the election, essentially American democracy would be done. If a valid presidential election is overturned, there's no coming back from that. And we're left with basically the entire right-wing mad at Cheney for saying Trump shouldn't be the leader of the party, and shouldn't continue to spread lies about a stolen election.

Has there been a single right-winger on this forum who has adjusted since these events happened? I don't count since I've opposed Trump for 4 years. It says something about this ideology that they view it all as just another overblown media story. Every single one of them would vote for Trump again in 2024. It's complete madness on that side, even among those who have a triple digit IQ.
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