The ones that feel like the virus is a hoax and the election is stolen. That Joe B. is somehow less mentally able than listening to trump talk about his gene pool etc. or believe Barr was acting in good faith, endless amount of subjects here....
Etc. etc. etc..


But to your civil war statement if "reality" is in disagreement then yes.
absolutely

Show me evidence that Trump is becoming irrelevant in the Republican party. Simply proclaiming it doesn't make it so. Various high profile Republicans visit him, Nikki Haley said she wouldn't run if he did, etc etc. He's out of the spotlight, but he's not irrelevant.

Your position is that Trump should be able to perpetuate the big lie without consequences, but if Cheney pushes back, she should be removed from leadership because it's contradicting what the party thinks, which was set by the leader of the Republican party, Donald Trump. What is true doesn't matter to you... what is good for the health of American democracy doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is keeping Trump happy and the Republican party unified. And keeping the Republican party unified means backing up Trump's constant lying, so Cheney isn't the right fit.

Oh look, here's the guy who everybody has to placate in the name of Republican unity:

https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1389940678101176322

Trump attacking Cheney, Pence, and McConnell. But Cheney is the one who deserves to be stripped of their role in the Republican party, because *reasons*.

A healthy Republican party would've told this guy to fuck off years ago, but they can't do that because a large portion of their voters are in a personality cult devoted to him. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 5 2021 02:42pm

IE Reality is now a talking point

It was ever since suckers like you believed communist propaganda.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1390012808436330501



Indeed.

please explain your fantasy land communism?
Health care?
what?

McConnel is almost dead and Pence won't have a political future.

Theres a reason why Democrats like their own representatives more than Republicans.

I'm not saying Trump is irrelevant as of today, I'm saying that he's on the path to irrelevance; and that he will no longer be nearly as dominant in the GOP if he's just left alone and ignored.

Trump was an ultra-dominant figure, EVERYTHING in politics revolved around him for close to 5 years. He was the figurehead of conservatives during a time of hyperpolarization. These kinds of emotional ties need time to wear off. It was always unrealistic to expect rank and file Republicans to just ditch the investment into Trump that they had fostered throughout the years the moment he's out of office.

Of course Haley says she wont challenge Trump for the nomination. Even if she intends to run, she has nothing to gain but headache if she openly positions herself against Trump right now while he still enjoys strong residual support.



I've posted results from an Echelon Insights survey of registered Republicans before, and will post them again:


So, 60/71% of Republican primary voters consider it very important/important that a candidate supports the Trump agenda on trade and immigration to get their support, while only 41/54% think it's very important/ important that a candidate consistently supported Trump during his presidency, and only 35/47% are very invested/invested in Trump's lies about the stolen election. A "personality like Trump's" is polling even worse.

The bottom line, at least according to this poll, is that a significant majority of the party is ready to move on from Trump the person, but not from 'Trumpism'. Republicans are not overly attached to Trump's 'Big Lie' and to his personality, but they want to stick with his policies and feisty approach to politics instead of going back to the Koch brothers agenda and "losing with decorum".



My position is that nobody should listen anymore to what Donald Trump has to say. He should be ignored or treated as a nuissance. Depriving a narcissist of the attention he craves is the harshest form of punishment.

Cheney should not only be removed from leadership because she pushes back on the Big Lie - she should be removed because she's constantly and needlessly bringing up an issue which is clearly hurting her party. The rest of the party's leadership has chosen to follow the strategy of ignoring Trump's ramblings, but Cheney keeps harping on about principles instead of being a team player.



This is uncomfortable, but it's the way it is: since losing the election, Trump has increasingly gone off the rails and become a liability and danger to his party. Ignoring the truth is not noble or desirable, but it is what's necessary right now to get rid of him without seeing the GOP ripped apart between warring pro- and anti-Trump factions. Guys like McConnell, who is absolutely finished with Trump, get that and keep their mouth shut for the better of the party. Cheney can't seem to do that.


In the intermediate future, it's indeed time for McConnell to go. He stands for policies which are just too broadly unpopular.
Poor Pence really got shafted though. He was always super loyal to Trump, only to be thrown under the bus. He does not deserve to be blasted like that.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 5 2021 03:24pm

You know that Cheney doesn't bring it up right? She is simply responding to Trump's quasi-Twitter account (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk). Cheney doesn't need to go, McCarthy does. He is the one who is going to Mar-a-Lago to work on GOP strategy. If you want Trump to be ignored, the GOP House leadership is failing spectacularly.

Of course she's bringing it up when she responds to Trump's musings on his personal blog that most people probably dont even know about. She's putting the spotlight on what he has to say and thus acts as a multiplier on his outreach.

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Some background on the rising tensions between Cheney and other Congressional Republicans:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/551261-gop-frustration-with-liz-cheney-at-a-boiling-point

She is clearly putting her own views and self-promotion ahead of her party, which makes her unfit for a leadership role.



McCarthy is overdoing it with the kissing-the-ring thing imho. Still, not much will come from these "strategy" meetings in the long run.

Also note that this is not as much of a contradiction as it seems at first glance. I want Trump's delusional ramblings to be ignored, particularly those about the 2020 election which was oh so unfairly stolen from him, boo hoo.
This does not, however, mean that Trump can't play a productive role in other fields of GOP operations, be it strategy or voter outreach, if - and only if - he's up to it. (Which he wont in most cases...)


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game recognizes game
swamp recognizes swamp

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 5 2021 05:27pm