1. Democrats aren't allied with Cheney, that's absurd.
2. It's probably more in the interest of Democrats to cheer on this internal fighting. Cheney represents the remaining healthy cells in the Republican party... it's better for Democrats politically if the entire party, not just 95% of it, are complete lunatics. This is simply a situation where Cheney is saying 2+2=4, and she's getting huge flack for it, so people outside the right who know 2+2=4 are aligned with her in some sense.

Trump is getting less and less attention every month, just give it time. Trump doesnt even have it in him to be the leader of the Republican party as long as he himself isnt its presidential nominee. To fill the role of spiritus rector or grey eminence, he would have to be disciplined, consistent and interested in actual policy.

Trump got a free pass in 2015-2020, at least to some extent, because he forced a realignment onto the old GOP establishment and was backed by the rank and file in doing so. Cheney, on the other hand, wants to relitigate the past when it is clearly in the better interest of the party to move on from 2020. And yes, Trump currently is doing the same, he also can't let 2020 go, and it's bad for the party - and precisely because of that is it better for the party to give his bitter ramblings as little attention as possible. Do you seriously think that Trump can keep this act up, that he will be able to mobilize primary voters in 2024 by the narrative of a stolen election which will, by then, lie four years in the past?

On top of that, Trump was offering a new path for his party (whether you liked it or not), while Cheney is not - all Cheney has to offer is a return to neocon policies which have been outdated since ca. 2007...

My position is that Cheney should not spread a lie to her voters, particularly not when she doesnt personally believe in this lie. But explicitly ranting about Trump 24/7, and continuously pushing public attention back to his lie, is not helpful. Neither for the electoral prospects of the party, nor for the health of democracy. And since the majority of the party leadership have made the decision to try to move on from 2020 and Trump, and since the base clearly wants none of the nevertrumpy "hold him accountable" stuff, she is positioning herself against her party when she keeps this kind of fight up.

Whether you agree with the position and direction of a party or not doesn't matter in this regard: someone who's blatantly out of step with his or her party is not suitable for a leadership role, period.





This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 5 2021 08:51am

Lol drink the cult kool aid or you're Nancy Pelosi says this guy lol.

I don't think we talk about the Republican party trying to overthrow the government as much as we should. Expectations for your behavior is so low that we are past the sedition hah.

Wait, you mean Bill Barr lied to the public and federal judges about what was in the Mueller report?

Whodathunkit

https://apnews.com/article/politics-europe-government-and-politics-d1ca64dfd5d69f31a36cd1501d0c1caf

So you're telling me that Barr was a dishonest POS and everybody knew it, and then when he got the job as AG he continued being a lieing POS?

That can't be true. Bogie vouched for him, and we all know Bogie is as honest and non-partisan as they come.

I am shocked. Shocked I tell you!

Given that we have had time to review the report and read Bill Barr's summary of it, what specifically are you accusing him of misrepresenting?

That there was no evidence of obstruction, or other underlying crimes that would be discovered if not for said obstruction.

If Cheney and McCain hadn't blown it so badly, the Republican revolt in 2016 never would have happened. They need to take accountability for their egregious mistakes and not try to put this problem entirely on Trump.

I disagree..
even in PaRD 2024 trump has more votes than any other candidate.
The remainder of the R party still wants trump again 2024.
Saw a poll yesterday 70% of R feel like the election was fraudulent in some way?? wut???
Most vaccine resistant people fall in line with the trump "narrative"
he is, and his voting base is still an active cancer in US politics.

if over 70 million Americans, representing 47% of the electorate, are an "active cancer in US politics", then civil war is inevitable.


regarding the Trump in 2024 thing: keep in mind that he has been out of office for little more than 3 months and already faaaar less relevant and 'dominant' in day-to-day politics.
it will take 30 months from now on until the first primary of the 2024 season takes places.