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Jul 4 2014 12:27pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jul 2014 18:22)
So refraining from killing babies is only acceptable if you unconditionally support violently confiscating more and more of other people's money to pay for them?


so as libertarian you want to deny women the right to decide what happens to their body?
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Jul 4 2014 12:33pm
Quote (brmv @ Jul 4 2014 02:27pm)
so as libertarian you want to deny women the right to decide what happens to their body?


As a libertarian I discourage violence initiated on others against their will.

As a logical thinker I pointed out the apparent weakness in his argument, regardless of where I stand on abortion.
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Jul 4 2014 12:43pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 4 Jul 2014 18:33)
As a libertarian I discourage violence initiated on others against their will.
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causing psychological pain by forcing a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy is violence as well
and what about forcing an infant to go hungry?

but you consider it violence to take a dollar on tax from someone who squeezes millions out of others :rolleyes:
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Jul 4 2014 12:52pm
Quote (brmv @ Jul 4 2014 02:43pm)
causing psychological pain by forcing a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy is violence as well

Are you worried about the psychological pain you cause murderers when you stop them from killing people?

And Like I said, my dissection of his argument was not attached to my stance on abortion.

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and what about forcing an infant to go hungry?

Who is forcing infants to go hungry?


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but you consider it violence to take a dollar on tax from someone who squeezes millions out of others  :rolleyes:


Yes forcefully taking someone's money under threat of imprisonment is initiating violence.
No, trading goods and services in a voluntary mutually beneficial manner is not violent.

Do you think differently?
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Jul 4 2014 01:00pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 4 2014 12:26pm)
Taxes aren't massive.  That is just hysterics.


Government spending across all levels consumes over 40% of GDP. Government spending represents taxation and deferred taxation if borrowing. If 40% of a 16 trillion dollar economy isn't massive, wtf is?
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Jul 4 2014 01:08pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 4 2014 11:22am)
So refraining from killing babies is only acceptable if you unconditionally support violently confiscating more and more of other people's money to pay for them?


It's only pragmatic if the parents can afford to raise the child.

It's not practical to tell a poor mother that she cannot have an abortion and then 9 months later tell her that she will not receive financial assistance.

The difference between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian is that a libertarian is supposed to know when to kick down a buck.
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Jul 4 2014 01:10pm
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It's only pragmatic if the parents can afford to raise the child.

It's not practical to tell a poor mother that she cannot have an abortion and then 9 months later tell her that she will not receive financial assistance.

The difference between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian is that a libertarian is supposed to know when to kick down a buck.


anarcho-capitalists and other libertarians are not opposed to giving money and other assistance to the less fortunate

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jul 4 2014 01:10pm
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 4 2014 03:10pm)
anarcho-capitalists and other libertarians are not opposed to giving money and other assistance to the less fortunate


Just as long as they're not the ones giving it. lol
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Jul 4 2014 04:15pm
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Just as long as they're not the ones giving it.  lol


like the Koch Bros?
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