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Jun 24 2025 02:15pm
That just confirms my post, you're trying to justify ad hominem


I haven't made a single ad hominem attack on you. Quote me where I personally attacked you. Meanwhile, you are trying to change subject and attempting to insult me constantly, is that the only thing you're capable of?

Look at your responses

That just confirms my post, you're trying to justify ad hominem


It makes perfect sense you just struggle with reading comprehension

Again, ad hominem fallacy. Attack the substance of the argument


Your post was "here is why ad hominem is legitimate" lel. Like I said before you can weaponize that fallacy against anyone you don't like. This is Chimp level intellect bro



Here is my original post that was criticizing TDS as a label. I didn't talk to you before this post

This argument makes absolutely no sense

It's extremely valid to apply skepticism selectively because person X is different than person Y. If you found out your babysitter is a convicted child molester, you would be more skeptical of them than if your babysitter was your brother. It doesn't matter if the equivalent environment exists and they behave identically, their past affects how skeptical you are about their actions


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Jun 24 2025 02:33pm
well since i don't play d2\d2:r anymore, this will be my last comment in d2jsp. this website is irrelevant to me for years.

iv been in this forum section for maybe 2-3 topic in regard of Israel, obviously.

i will post some feedback for the ones who are interested in a local\real point of view, im not gonna reply back.
some are my own opinions, some are facts. i will state FACT if it's not based on my own point of view, or if i can't prove it.
im not trying to convince anyone here. i honestly don't care, just posting one comment and im out.

im in my 40's , got a son in the IDF , a daughter in high-school, served in a combat role for over 10 years in the IDF, my wife served over 6 years as an officer in the Israeli navy.

Gaza-Israel issue:

from statistics, post-Oct 7 the majority of Israelis like myself ( Secular Jews, including Traditional-Secular ) who actually makes the majority of the country, are 100% against ANY solution that is based on giving land to the people of Gaza. already did that in Ariel Sharon days, tried it, received only rockets since then.

FACT: Hamas is a dead pony. the organization as a terror organization who was once well.. organized as such is now done. it's an empty shell only alive because it holds they key for the Israeli hostages. stating it as a fact, because i have my own IDF sources. yes, they can use booby traps and fire a missile once in while
but they are done. yet the problem remains ( hostages ) and i believe that now after the conflict with Iran, it will be sealed in a matter of weeks.

FACT: Gaza is one of the most complex, problematic, dangerous places on earth for military warfare. no army on planet earth could have done anything better than the IDF, Palestinian casualties included.

FACT: Palestine never existed. no such a country, no such economy, no Palestinian president, nothing at all. the term is pointless, rose up by the terrorist Yasser Arafat and pump-up by the ugly side of the left, liberals and idiots who supports the idea without understanding there is no idea. most of those people are Jordanians or Egyptians.

FACT: as an Israeli i live, work and walk among Arabs. some parts in our country are more populated with Arabs ( Muslims \ Christians ) or Druze ( northern Israel ) and i can tell you this: all of us live happily, work happily and say good morning how are you ? thanks, bye now. there are absolutely no issues with most* of Israelis, and most* of Arabs from within.
whatever sources you have, please stay away from those lies if the truth matters to you.
now why is that relevant ? because some idiots are thinking that if one minister in our government is stating: "let's nuke Gaza" - this means that the entire Israeli population is in agreement with this silly nonsense that some men say. iv seen similar cases in this forum actually in Israel-related topics, and it shows me that outsiders are unfamiliar with anything related to Israel.

how will this end ? my own point of view: some bodies won't be found for years, some hostages will rerutn alive, some bodies will return and Hamas will no longer be relebant in Gaza. in regard of the people in Gaza : some will leave by choice, others - hard to say. i don't see Israel forcing out anyone, i do hope that the Egyptians will find responsibility and take some in.
will there be a two state solution ? no.
will Gaza be a part of Israel ? no.

Iran - Hezbollah - Houthis - Israel issue:

il try to sum it up the shortest way i can.

Hezbollah was the main right hand of the Iranian regime. as it's proxy, the most lethal out of them, it was supposed to act as a shield for the Iranian regime.

FACTS:
- Hezbollah : is gravely crippled and deterred. what Israel achieved in months, was to cut the hands and feet of the organization to the point they didn't fire one missile in the Iran-Israel 12 days conflict.
the entire ranking-tree of the organization was vaporized to ashes, including the moral after taking out Nasrallah. they will never recover.

- Houthis : are like a mosquito at night in your ear. the major issue is intelligence in their controlled-area. while they are not a serious issue, they are a problem to solve.

- Iran-Israel conflict : Iran is a paper tiger. what their regime is posting to the Iranian people : "Tel Aviv is in ashes" , "the truce was the consequence of the barrage on the American base in Qatar" etc..
now everybody knows they are coordinated with the U.S the entire thing to make them look like a threat. thier ego and honor is more important than anything else.
Israel controlled the entire conflict, and i mean by a LONG shot.
Israel's targets were only the regime's.
Iran targets - 94% of the hits including murdering Israelis were on civilian buildings in urban cities. we are talking about missiles with 400-1000 KG of explosive warheads that they aim to urban cities.
Israel intercept rate is around 85% for missiles and 99% for drones.
it is unknown exactly how many fails the Iranian had ( for Ballistic Missiles ), but obviously we do know that they had missiles not reaching Israel and crashing in Iran or exploding on the way up.
Israel is protecting all of it's civilians both passively and actively, closing the entire state ( schools, kinder-gardens , shops etc.. )
Iran don't need to, since we never aimed for populations... they could care only for the regime sustain to last another decade, never for the people in Iran

Cease-Fire:
FACT: it was Iran's way out , since Israeli bombing started to take a MAJOR toll on the regime, and im being generous here,, iv seen some shit i can't and wont post.. our air force literally made judgments those bases
Israel didn't touch oil or civilian infrastructure
they lost a LOT of assets, some are very very strategic in the ballistic missiles manufacturing
the Americans aided with the big bombs or those big mountains - ye il give them credit for their easy part in this


the bottom line - we are a nation that was once surrounded by enemies and it narrowed in time. we take care of business, we are not crybabies like a lot of other countries who never been in out situation.

like it or not we are here, you can't do anything about it - only to whine about it.
there is no such thing as Palestine. never was.
goodbye take care.


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Jun 24 2025 02:37pm
Trump thinking he can control what everybody else does with tweets is hilarious

Trump: There is a ceasefire

Meanwhile Israel and Iran keep taking shots
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Jun 24 2025 02:40pm
Sorry for the ChatGPT , but I wrote it initially in Hebrew as requested by my district , anyways I thought to share it here also -

Now that the end of the war seems to be in sight, I want to share my perspective.

I serve in the Home Front Command as a district engineer. In routine times, our work involves collaborating with local authorities to ensure protected spaces are available for the population. In emergencies (such as structural collapse events), our mission is to take a macro view and support the rescue battalions as much as possible—providing professional knowledge and connecting them with relevant agencies.

We prepared for a catastrophic event involving hundreds of ballistic missiles each day and thousands of casualties. Fortunately, the barrages promised by the Iranians did not materialize as threatened.

A bit about protective shelters in Israel: after the Gulf War, in 1992, a law was passed requiring every new building permit to include a protected space (a “Mamad”). This decision proved to be critical in the current war.

In offense—we have the Air Force and Mossad. In defense—we have protected spaces and the missile interception systems.

The protected space is not designed to withstand a direct hit, but it is built to endure an explosion of up to 830 kg of explosives from a distance of 15 meters. These shelters have saved hundreds of Israeli lives and, from our perspective in the Home Front Command, have been a decisive factor in defense and contributed greatly to national resilience.

That’s my two cents on the war.
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Jun 24 2025 03:02pm
Trump thinking he can control what everybody else does with tweets is hilarious

Trump: There is a ceasefire

Meanwhile Israel and Iran keep taking shots


Trump not-tweeted this:



And got on the phone with Netanyahu and chewed him out
And Netanyahu called off the strikes while the Israeli jets were just minutes away from their targets

Its been a few hours now, and whether Pax Maga actually holds, Trump is clearly exercising some degree of control over world events with his bully pulpit
His f-bomb stopped Israel's bombs
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Jun 24 2025 03:05pm
His f-bomb


When he said that I felt it in my soul, bro has been spirit bomb charging that one for a while

unironically more impactful than the bunker busters

This post was edited by Thebarba on Jun 24 2025 03:05pm
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Jun 24 2025 03:37pm
Trump thinking he can control what everybody else does with tweets is hilarious

Trump: There is a ceasefire

Meanwhile Israel and Iran keep taking shots


It's worked before lol.
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Jun 24 2025 03:38pm
Credibility of information is directly tied to If in fact the strikes were sufficient to eleminate or set back the program decades.

Lack of historical credibility makes it relevant and not an adhom fallacy and not a distraction from the original argument.


Again you are welcome to exercise little to no skepticism of this man. That's your business.

We may see significant subsequent information that provides support of either direction at this point however. I simply put choose not to without failure immediately agree or believe in all things that leave trumps mouth. That's all. You call that TDS so be it.


Elite build a bridge man, let it goooo.


I do accept criticism and skepticism of Trump, I suppose you could say I still have PTSD from the 2016 to roughly 2022 years of constant unfair malignment of Trump
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Jun 24 2025 03:55pm
What conflict do Israel have with Iran? We have no border with them, no land issues, just pure racism that wants to destroy the jewish state.
Let it sink


I didn't say that it's a two-sided conflict in terms of ideology or history. In the present day, Israel and Iran definitely are strategic rivals, though. Iran, via its proxies, tried to encircle Israel from all sides and checkmate them this way, while Israel insists on establishing and maintaining local hegemony over its immediate neighbors.

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Jun 24 2025 04:37pm
Exclusive: Early US intel assessment suggests strikes on Iran did not destroy nuclear sites, sources say
The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by four people briefed on it.

The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said
https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/24/politics/intel-assessment-us-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites
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