Note my ambiguity in describing our previous conversation - "Something to the effect of"

Point being that you've acknowledged the 77% is inaccurate, yet you're just trying to win crowds so you will keep going with that number.

I'm trying to win crowds here on PaRD with a number I've publicly declared to be false here?

I'm not sure what people think I do.. I worked with old mentally ill people for awhile and now I'm working on housing and homelessness advocacy. I don't actually do anything in regards to feminism or for women outside of trying to treat people fairly and judging people by the content of their character, which admittedly is hard sometimes.

It is something women need to do on their own, through consciousness, social conflict, and just elevating themselves. I vote for egalitarian candidates when they present themselves.

But my crowds are homeless people yelling at me about how panhandling laws work, and before that my crowds were schizophrenic elderly people on dialysis.

I feel like there is some huge misunderstanding. God damn Icemage and his sociologist-campaign.

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This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2015 11:34am

@Bold: I thought it was weird as well, but regardless you've admitted the 77% number is false before (as Tcock also said) so you really should drop that talking point.

I posted ten professions where the pay gap is greater than 77% in the first chart. Some are worse than 77%. I think 77% is an average of those above and those below, I'm not sure how the people who came up with the number came up with it, but I didn't come up with it, nor do I use it as a talking point. Again, you have me confused with another person. I say the gap exists, is complicated like all economic issues, and that some industries are more egalitarian than others. Some are much worse than 77%.

I feel like I'm being repetitive. Not my talking point. Write a letter to the editor at MSNBC or something

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2015 11:46am

Why is it hard for you to treat people fairly and judge them by the content of their character?

I find it comes rather naturally.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jul 10 2015 11:46am

My Sociology hate campaign isn't limited to this forum... I berate my good friend(who has a Sociology degree) often.

and until you are familiar with the material and can tell us what controls were put in place any number quoted is meaningless. There have been several studies done which control for everything imaginable and the pay gap shrinks significantly. The pay gap exists, but the 77% number has been debunked a dozen times on this forum alone. It still exists, but is not nearly as concerning as a 23% pay cut.



My co-worker had a degree in sociology and still worked at a pizza place as a cook making 8$ an hour. I asked him why he would ever fucking major in sociology and he said a girl he was dating was also majoring in it so he switched, but they broke up after they both graduated. Thinking back I'm wondering why he didn't hate me for all the shit I gave him, but oh well.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 10 2015 11:50am

After analyzing personal use of self and receiving therapist/counseling training you learn it doesn't come as default, and we have all kinds of unconscious drives and biases we aren't quite aware of that we only discover through peer review and critical examination of our cases and practice. As somebody who has experienced life on the margins I expect you would be more sensitive to things like this though, as marginalized people know the harmful effects of discrimination more than most. But you have to understand, some of the people I deal with appear and smell very repulsive.



lol. How is life as a barista?



I'm not sure what you're going on about. I never said that the pay gap was 77% across the board. Pick that bone with somebody else. I said it narrows in certain professions the higher you go in education and technical difficulty, and in some industries the gender pay gap is much greater than the 77% number.

This post was edited by Skinned on Jul 10 2015 11:53am

Of course they do. That's the position they're in... it's your job to help homeless people. You think they're all gonna be 100% compus mentus and smelling of roses?

I'm aware we all have unconscious biases but that has fuck all to do with how we treat people unless we let it. You get to know a person's character before passing conscious judgement and up until that point you afford them the same basic respect you would any stranger.

You're making it far more complicated than it actually is...

No I am not. Social interaction is just a complicated thing, especially when power and authority is involved and when dealing with transference and countertransference.