I've changed my mind in response to Bazi telling me things, so it wouldn't be appropriate for me.

You're disregarding the opinion and factual basis put forth by every healthcare worker, doctor, and scientist on this forum in favor of your own personal opinion. It would do you some good to consider that pretty much everybody you've been talking to on this subject has specific expertise in the field that you lack, and we're all on pretty much the same page.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 22 2020 12:46pm

Who's disregarding anything? Care to back up your statement? We've all agreed that those who want to get vaccinated should get vaccinated. We've all agreed that the highest risk groups should receive vaccinations first, down to the low/no risk groups. You have admitted that there is no scientific backing behind vaccinating those who have already had and recovered from the virus. That you're getting caught on your complete lie that we "know" there's no long term side effects is utter horse shit and is NOT backed up by medical science. Why don't you just admit that fact and we can move on?

Oh, I remember. You know everything and are never wrong.

I got a cut on my upper arm from boot camp vaccinations, as they used the jet injectors for some of them, and on one, the tech moved the gun a little bit while the vaccine was being injected, and it made a small cut on my arm. Superficial injury, to be sure, but uncomfortable.

That wasn't as bad as the damn mefloquine pills we had to take before a port call in Mombasa, Kenya (only to have the port call canceled when were a day out, because the Iranians fired a Silkworm missile into a Kuwaiti tanker in the Gulf, and we had to run back north at flank speed).

This post was edited by Surfpunk on Dec 22 2020 01:10pm

You are getting caught up on "knowing". Nobody ever "knows" anything about what will happen when something is injected. If I were taking your approach, I would say that nobody "knows" that flu vaccinations this year will have the same rate of side effects as the vaccinations next year, and nobody "knows" that just because vaccines in the past didn't cause autism that the ones in the future won't and on and on and on.

Here's what we can say:

We have reason to be highly confident that there are no long-term side effects from this vaccination that are worse than long-term side effects from Covid, and we have reason to be highly confident that even if there are significant long term side effects they will be lower than the rate of long term effects compared to Covid, and we know this because we've studied the long term use of vaccines, and we've studied the long term effects of mRNA treatments, and we've studied the short term effects of using mRNA as a Covid vaccine, and we know the long term effects of Covid infection already.

What reason is there to be confident about any conclusions regarding long term side effects of an entirely new never before marketed form of vaccination that has not had long term testing?

The scientific method is based on observation, friend. There's hasn't been time to observe.

Hell, even the statement about long term effects of covid is mostly meaningless. In an asymptomatic person? It seems none, by your standards. In a 98 year old with heart disease? Probably death, given that'll be the short term result. Seems to me the 98 year old should get vaccinated, the person who got it, got over it, and never displayed a symptom'll be fine.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 22 2020 01:38pm

Vaccines don't have long term side effects.

This post was edited by balrog66 on Dec 22 2020 01:54pm

What? I mean just to name a quick one, diabetes has been linked to several vaccination types, such as the H influenzae type b vaccine used in the 90's. This is old information, mate. We aren't talking some autism bullshit here.

Everything has risks. What are the long term risks of the covid vaccine? We don't know. Perhaps none. Hopefully none. But what we also don't know is how long it provides immunity, at what rate "boosters" would be needed or if they'd be effective, and a wide variety of other information.

The vaccine has been an amazing thing, and I in no way discourage those who want it from taking it. In fact, I encourage it. But we do need to be clear that the science is not "final" in any way regarding this vaccine itself, or this new type of vaccine. It's just started. Quite exciting, but people who talk about it like it's all known fact are idiots.

H. Flu vaccination with diabetes association was debunked 20 years ago with studies in 5 different countries

your posts are funny

LOL. Saying "it's misleading" is not "debunking". The basic gist of the so-called "debunk" was "correlation is not causation". The control group was pretty well set though.

I get it. Vaccinations have never caused a single problem in the history of ever.

I love how you're trying to explain the side effects of vaccinations to a physician, as though you have more information on the subject or a better knowledge base, or the skill set in conducting research on the topic.