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Dec 22 2020 10:43am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 10:38am)
You crushed your own point though, didn't you? You directly said that it's not even known how long the vaccine will provide immunity, nor do you even have hard data on how long immunity lasts for those who catch it.
What we effectively see here is, "Covid is bad. It makes old and unhealthy people die. Here's a vaccine. It has had very limited testing and didn't exist prior to this year. Taking it may or may not prevent you for being a Covid carrier, may or may not provide immunity comparable to catching and recovering from the virus, and may or may not have some very uncomfortable side effects when you take it."
Just went and perused the hospitalization tracking, and it turns out, fewer than 1% of all hospitalizations of those under 30 with covid lack comorbidities. In other words, they're already in the higher risk group that should be encouraged (not forced) to take the vaccine.
You've failed to make any useful case, yet again.


Bro, calm down and read. You're not actually comprehending what I'm saying.

The risk of vaccination is lower than the risk of infection for every age group. Therefore, it's a good idea to get the vaccine even if it's only function is to prevent you from getting seriously ill.

We should obviously prioritize higher risk people, but in the end it's a good idea for everybody to get it eventually.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 22 2020 10:43am
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Dec 22 2020 10:50am
Ah this Bob character is anti vax in addition to being anti mitigation

Who could have predicted that
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Dec 22 2020 10:52am
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Ah this Bob character is anti vax in addition to being anti mitigation

Who could have predicted that


He's not being anti-vax. He's saying there's no reason for healthy people to get vaccinated because they are low risk, but he's not appreciating that the vaccine is lower risk than the illness even for healthy people.
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He's not being anti-vax. He's saying there's no reason for healthy people to get vaccinated because they are low risk, but he's not appreciating that the vaccine is lower risk than the illness even for healthy people.


So he wants life to go back to normal...but does not want the super spreader demographic to get a vaccination that would help prevent spread and decrease hospital burden - the very reason that life is presently not normal
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Dec 22 2020 10:55am
why are young healthy people in Congress and other govt officials etc. getting the vaccine before frontline workers, medical personnel, and the most at-risk groups such as the elderly?
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He's not being anti-vax. He's saying there's no reason for healthy people to get vaccinated because they are low risk, but he's not appreciating that the vaccine is lower risk than the illness even for healthy people.


The only way for this to make sense is if the symptoms of the vaccine are worse than the symptoms of covid 19.

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Bro, calm down and read. You're not actually comprehending what I'm saying.

The risk of vaccination is lower than the risk of infection for every age group. Therefore, it's a good idea to get the vaccine even if it's only function is to prevent you from getting seriously ill.

We should obviously prioritize higher risk people, but in the end it's a good idea for everybody to get it eventually.


And that's where you've just gone schizo. We don't actually KNOW the risks of the vaccination. No long term studies have been performed, nothing is known about potential side effects.

Five minutes ago we were told it wasn't airborne. Ten minutes ago we were told masks weren't effective in preventing it's spread. Fifteen minutes ago doctors were prescribing cigarettes to lower anxiety.

So, instead of talking about what we don't know, let's talk about what we DO know. The most common side effects of taking the covid vaccine are:

Sore arm
Fever
Fatigue
Aches
Chills
Headache

in rare cases, fainting and Anaphalaxis.

On the flipside, many of those who get Covid experience no symptoms at all. Many only the most mild symptom like a headache or mild fatigue. Still others might only lose their sense of taste and smell for a bit and otherwise be fine.

Effectively it's a crapshoot as to how it will impact you. So, should a person who has not had covid take the vaccine? Sure! If they want to and are prepared to deal with the side effects.

The thing to be aware of is mRNA vaccines have never been used. Long term effect studies don't exist. Literally every person who takes the vaccine is a guinea pig. It'll probably be okay. But we simply don't know. And until more is known, it's really pretty reasonable for the majority of those who are not at high risk due to age or comorbidity to hold off until the science is a bit more solid. Further, for those who have caught covid and recovered, there's simply no data whatsoever that would indicate that taking the vaccine is worthwhile or even potentially a good thing.
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why are young healthy people in Congress and other govt officials etc. getting the vaccine before frontline workers, medical personnel, and the most at-risk groups such as the elderly?


Joni Ernst and Rand Paul still have me triggered

I would have taken a trump win for a joni loss tbh. Max 4 years vs potential joni infinity
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Dec 22 2020 11:07am
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why are young healthy people in Congress and other govt officials etc. getting the vaccine before frontline workers, medical personnel, and the most at-risk groups such as the elderly?


because they are all scumbags
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Dec 22 2020 11:20am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 10:55am)
And that's where you've just gone schizo. We don't actually KNOW the risks of the vaccination.


Wrong.

That's literally the first thing they study before they do large phase 3 studies for effectiveness.

You are also totally ignoring that most people who receive the vaccine have no significant side effects, while playing up asymptomatic covid cases. Unless you seriously expect me to consider that you have a sore arm for a day a side effect worth considering.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 22 2020 11:21am
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