The covid vaccine exists. Many many many forms of flu vaccines exist. Nobody has argued over the existence of these vaccines. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Even if the risk is low for young people the risk from the vaccine is lower so its still a good idea to get vaccinated even if it's only effect is to prevent serious illness.

Whether or not anything justifies mandatory vaccination is an opinion. So I won't speak to that.

A good idea? For whom? You've indicated that those who've already had covid should get the vaccine, but turned around and indicated that the vaccine is no more effective at preventing "reinfection" than having already had the virus.

Do you see the circle you've talked yourself into? Serious illness for the young and healthy? Exceedingly rare. Chance for reinfection as anything more than an ordinary cold among the young and healthy the next cold/flu season? Unlikely and rare.

I mean, I'd simply take the win that we all agree that the elderly and high risk folks, as well as anyone else who WANTS it should certainly take the vaccine. Those who don't wish to take it shouldn't.

Exactly the same as the annual flu vaccinations.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 22 2020 10:00am

I never said that one is better than the other at preventing reinfection. We don't know which is better. I said that the vaccine carries a lower risk than infection, so even if the only benefit of the vaccine is to prevent serious complications from infection it would still be a good idea for young people to take it.

Learn to read dumbass, lol.






Everybody who took the original small pox vaccination has died. Makes you think.




"Prevents serious cases" means something. In particular hospital beds, which there are none available in a lot of major cities.

Back to reading comprehension basically. At least address what i said Mr. Rigid and lacking in tact.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 22 2020 10:10am

That's fine! Promote that young people should take it if they want to! I support everyone's right to access. We agree!

You have consistently failed to make any case, however, that those who do not wish to take it (for whatever reason they have) OR those who've already caught and recovered from the virus should be browbeaten or forced to take it.

I have never made any case for that because I've never argued for that in any way shape or form.

Bro, calm down and read.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 22 2020 10:18am

My friend! Didn't you read back and determine what the conversation was about prior to "picking a side"? It's comments like this that are at the heart of the issue:



I fully support people's right to vaccinations. I fully support the development of vaccinations. Hell, I highly encourage anyone who is part of a severe risk group to GET a vaccination.

Where I start to get pissed off is when you misrepresent the danger the virus poses to extremely low risk groups, and even the hint that virtually untested vaccinations should be mandatory, or people should somehow suddenly become responsible for other people catching a virus. This is what the conversation that you hopped into was about.

If you want to argue my posts, at least figure out what you're arguing for.

I don't need to read back. You made very specific factual claims and I figured I'd chime in with why you were wrong on those. Reinfection because of waning immunity is a serious concern in a new disease and there is good reason for young people to get vaccinated even if its only function will be to reduce hospitalizations.

I'll repeat that I won't make a stance on mandatory vaccination because that's a values judgement.

You crushed your own point though, didn't you? You directly said that it's not even known how long the vaccine will provide immunity, nor do you even have hard data on how long immunity lasts for those who catch it.

What we effectively see here is, "Covid is bad. It makes old and unhealthy people die. Here's a vaccine. It has had very limited testing and didn't exist prior to this year. Taking it may or may not prevent you for being a Covid carrier, may or may not provide immunity comparable to catching and recovering from the virus, and may or may not have some very uncomfortable side effects when you take it."

Just went and perused the hospitalization tracking, and it turns out, fewer than 1% of all hospitalizations of those under 30 with covid lack comorbidities. In other words, they're already in the higher risk group that should be encouraged (not forced) to take the vaccine.

You've failed to make any useful case, yet again.