The rise and fall of Ukraine's French-trained brigade

Both Anna of Kyiv and Yaroslav the Wise would execute anyone on sight for calling them Ukrainians.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jan 9 2025 07:17am

"The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?"

Judging by Putins own stated goal, the war has been a failure.
Judging by comrades estimation of the war being over in 3 months, and since it has in fact lasted 3 years; Yes, again it has been a failure.

Day 1,050 of Putins Afghanistan

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Jan 9 2025 08:52am

Isn't it the opposite when you're the aggressor? Isn't typically the question, have you won yet?


No sides choose, just based on the initial stated goals, this entire thing seems like a colossal failure and waste of life on all sides. It does not have to be one side won and one side lost. It can be a total failure, Ukraine having to give some territory but Russia getting far less than anticipated at a vastly higher cost and in a much longer timeframe.

You could say by definition someone has to be a winner, well the winner is probably the USA, China, India, Arab Nations, etc. Nothing like selling inflated priced assets, sure there's aid but how much of that just goes back to America via purchasing inflated assets and oil, how much additional military purchases are being made, etc. Arabs can sell more oil, China can purchase cheap oil off Russia and I am sure all sorts of natural resources from manufacturing minerals to coal. I know China wants Canadian coal right now so i'm sure its flowing from Russia.

Your winners are those not in direct conflict.

This post was edited by SBD on Jan 9 2025 09:23am

2025 is here. Russia still hasn't lost. Little but remnants of Ukraine's nazi Azov dogs remain in the Donbas, Crimea is standing firm, Russia is growing stronger thanks to the need to produce microelectronics in-house rather than relying on the US and EU.

Why does this topic exist again?



No. Russia's stated goals were to guarantee the end of Ukraine's war of aggression on the Donbas Republics, and to hunt down and destroy the Nazis of Ukraine. Ukraine has been beaten silly and holds next to nothing in the Donbas Republics at this point, and Asov has been gutted. By their goals, Russia is doing fine. And if Ukraine continues to carry on refusing to speak realistic peace, eventually Ukraine will be conquered. That's what it is. You don't win a war in a day, or a week, or even a year, unless you're willing to go scorched earth. That was never Russia's goal. Their goal was to keep the ethnic Russians in the Donbas from continual massacre.

You are the least insane person in PARD. Why do you call yourself InsaneBobb??

This post was edited by Malopox on Jan 9 2025 09:26am

I've mellowed over the years. First earned the moniker at 16. Had you known me 26 years ago, you'd understand.

I've been posting / commenting on this conflict before the invasion (at the time of troops buildup / Russian ultimatum, December 2021) and have consistently stated there should've been negotiations back then which NATO refused. So I'm not shilling for one side or "winners". I'm merely posting in this topic because the OP (who's been shilling for more war and more escalation for years) has got it so wrong.

This conflict is all about geo-politics, all countries try to defend their interests down to the smallest third world shitholes fighting their wars over territorial issues or resources. To think that a nuclear power like Russia would not defend their interests is delusional. NATO / EU have a responsibility, they have expanded East for decades despite constant Russian protests (promises were made NATO would not expand East). When people call Russia the aggressor it simply shows that they don't understand what's going on here or are simply parroting Western MSM news outlets which look more like government mouthpieces than the independent news outlets they used to be.

Isn't it obvious that NATO and the EU thought there was something to win if Ukraine joined the EU and NATO? (strategically important and tons of juicy resources). You say it yourself, money / resources (and don't forget farmland). In short, geo-politics.

This war is like Covid. The biggest wealth transfer ever seen. People cheer for both sides to send generations of people to the meat grinder while the military industrial complex make record profits. While slave owners amass wealth and while the peasants get bigger and bigger debts to slave for on top of having massive amount of migrants replace them in their own countries which make it even harder for em to stay afloat.

I for one welcome a real WW3 to drop world pop at 400-500M so we can start fresh again with smarter people. Most people on planet Earth live in front of their devices all their free time when they ain't being a slave at work.

The idea that you're better or worse than anyone is completely false. You would behave exactly the same way as anyone else under the circumstances they were given by RNG at birth. That includes people who are ultra rich and therefore have a much greater capacity than you and also people who are ultra plebs and therefore have very little capacity.