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Jul 14 2015 12:54pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 14 2015 02:17pm)
Can you please explain to me how my argument is simply invalid, Voyaging?

If abortion is murder, then how is miscarriage not involuntary manslaughter?

I am curious. And please don't dismiss my argument as invalid without going step-by-step through the logical sequence. Thank you.


The argument form is

A
Therefore B

Which is invalid.

Even if you were to fix the argument it wouldn't follow because that's not what involuntary manslaughter is.
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Jul 14 2015 01:11pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 14 Jul 2015 10:37)
not only is it difficult (and unnecessary imo) to investigate, the people who would grant personhood to a fetus are aware of this and would not push to commit resources to determine the precise cause of death

this basically means that the idea that a fetus is a person is an idea that hasn't been thought out to it's full implications by those in the "pro life" group



I thought that Missouri had flirted with this. Kin to a guy that I worked with were terrible crackheads, they've had all of their kids finally taken away. But it took way too long, she got pregnant again, because you know when they're all cranked out all they do is fuck like bunnies, drink Mt. Dew and steal shit. Anyway I'm pretty sure the Judge warned her that if she was caught with crack in her system while with child that she'd be charged with attempted homicide. Maybe it was just a scare tactic. What I do know is that it screwed that baby out of any opre-natal care it may have received. She didn't go near a doctor or clinic until the poor doomed thing was nearly out.
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Jul 14 2015 01:50pm
Quote (Voyaging @ 14 Jul 2015 13:54)
The argument form is

A
Therefore B

Which is invalid.

Even if you were to fix the argument it wouldn't follow because that's not what involuntary manslaughter is.


Pro-lifers advocate that: Abortion is murder because it is intentionally killing a human life.

Involuntary manslaughter is the act of unintentionally killing a human life.

To be clear, I do not think abortion is murder. However, if I did, I don't see how miscarriage isn't involuntary manslaughter.

Please defend your logic with terms specific to this argument (murder, fetus/human life, manslaughter).
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Jul 14 2015 01:53pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 14 2015 02:50pm)
Pro-lifers advocate that: Abortion is murder because it is intentionally killing a human life.

Involuntary manslaughter is the act of unintentionally killing a human life.

To be clear, I do not think abortion is murder. However, if I did, I don't see how miscarriage isn't involuntary manslaughter.

Please defend your logic with terms specific to this argument (murder, fetus/human life, manslaughter).


someone actually has to be responsible - a drunk driver for example, don't think negligence is sufficient

for example ~ someone charged with overseeing clean water systems wouldn't be charged with manslaughter if people die from contaminated water because he failed to do his job properly

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Jul 14 2015 01:56pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 14 2015 03:50pm)
Involuntary manslaughter is the act of unintentionally killing a human life.


Please look up involuntary manslaughter.
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Jul 14 2015 02:11pm
Quote (Voyaging @ 14 Jul 2015 14:56)
Please look up involuntary manslaughter.


Do you think abortion is murder?

Please look up the definition of murder.
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Jul 14 2015 02:17pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 14 2015 01:54pm)
The argument form is

A
Therefore B

Which is invalid.

Even if you were to fix the argument it wouldn't follow because that's not what involuntary manslaughter is.


Lol, modus ponens slammed

Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 14 2015 03:11pm)
Do you think abortion is murder?

Please look up the definition of murder.


Look up definition of miscarriage, it isn't when a woman accidentally kills her baby.

FFS the discourse here is devolving into General Chat.

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Jul 14 2015 02:22pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 14 2015 04:11pm)
Do you think abortion is murder?

Please look up the definition of murder.


Huh?

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Jul 14 2015 02:23pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 14 2015 03:22pm)
Huh?


He thinks a woman accidentally dropping her infant into a wood chipper is a miscarriage :lol:

More like a fumble.

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Jul 14 2015 02:28pm
I'll admit, I'm having a hard time defending this logical sequence when the first part of the sequence is: Abortion is murder.

This is the atheism thread. Let's put a stronger religious tone on this question rather than a legal one.

If abortion is murder because it is killing a human life, is miscarriage god's wrath? Did he intend for that fetus to die?

Is the fetus saved? Does the fetus go to hell for eternity? Maybe there is some special exception? I'm struggling to find the verse in the Bible that addresses the eternal fate of the fetus after a miscarriage.
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