My thought process behind personal responsibility is that in society for every freedom awaded there comes a set of responsibilities . There's no such thing as absolute freedom without consequences . You get a new car - don't drink or drive, make sure you change the tires before winter, etc. If I hear that a virus has a deleterious effect on my fellow countrymen even though I am free to do what I please, I believe it's my responsibility to at least try to mitigate the problem. I'm ok with the fact that the at risk groups are being prioritized but it would be nice if we all share the same goal of eliminating this virus in the most effective and expedient manner so we can go on with our daily lives .

What does some other person being old and fat have to do with a healthy 20 year old? And frankly no, many young adults are avoiding seeing their parents and grandparents due to covid.

I'll outline this to you simply:

I have the antibodies. I had covid. It was just a respiratory infection, more mild than many I've had, but it did wipe out my sense of taste and smell for a couple months. I'm not going to get it again in any meaningful way unless I come down with something that causes immunodeficiency. Why should I get a vaccine?

Now, I'm not 20. I'm 38. But if the healthy 20 year old doesn't mind losing a bit of their sense of smell and taste for a couple months and would prefer that to an unpleasant vaccine, who the fuck are you to say they "need" a vaccine?

Again, the idea that, "Well they need to be able to see their parents and grandparents!" means they need a vaccine is stupid on it's face. If their parents and grandparents are at risk and/or are worried over the virus, then their parents and/or grandparents need to get the vaccine. Once they've gotten the vaccine, exactly why does it matter if their 20 year old relative got it or not?

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 22 2020 08:45am

Why wouldn't you just get it again when the antibodies are gone? All evidence shows you can get it again in a couple months, all while testing positive the entire time. We've made the mistake of letting people like you, recovered asymptomatic carriers on our unit and we lost a patient because of it and had to change policy.

Getting the vaccine while you are recovering from it seems like a good idea.

I'm not telling anybody they have to get a vaccine, and if you want to jump off a bridge as well I don't care. Do a flip.

Cool anecdotal story. I'll let the families of the expired patients i talk to know it was only mild for you and didn't stop your lungs and heart like their loved one...they will probably be relieved. My son had it and was fine, i don't want to give it to my daughter and try her luck.

I just thought the vaccine would be helpful if you want to go out and eat a steak at a restaurant sometime. I think pandemic deniers are the primary reason I can't go out and get a nice meal in a restaurant by now.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 22 2020 08:57am

This is just nonsense. You don't understand how the immune system works OR how vaccines work, clearly. Here, just so you can be less ignorant: https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection#1

All a vaccine does, in practice, is set up your body to know/recognize a virus the same exact way it would if you'd caught the virus, that way on future exposure, it immediately destroys the virus. "Reinfection" is not a concern unless you have an immunodeficiancy condition, in which case vaccines wouldn't help you in the first place.

Stop spreading lies, it's disgusting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-52446965

So basically fuck your feelings and your women's intuition on this. You can get it twice likely but we are still learning, and you can be an asymptomatic carrier. Also the vaccine does not stop you from getting Corona virus it only prevents serious symptoms, it says so on the manufacturer's website. You can still get it carry it and gave it to people so personal protective gear is still necessary.

Side note: What is it like to know everything and be the smartest person on Earth surrounded by morons? Must be lonely.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 22 2020 09:11am

This is wrong. Reinfection is a real concern as it happens in other diseases. We don't know if covid will be one of those diseases or not yet. It may well be that a significant percent of people lose immunity after a year or two. We just don't know and thats why its a real concern.

You must be challenged. Seriously. Everything you are arguing argues even further AGAINST taking the vaccine, especially for young people.

The nature of the vaccine is to produce something in your body that tricks your immune system into thinking it knows the virus, so that your memory T Cells will recognize the virus and set about the process to kill it.

That doesn't mean the virus can't enter your body, that you won't test positive for it hundreds or potentially thousands of times following getting the vaccine or having caught the virus. What it means is that your body is prepared to respond to destroy the virus.

By promoting the theory that your immune system can't recognize the virus on further infection, all you're telling quite literally everyone is, "Neither catching the virus and recovering or getting a vaccine will keep you safe. It's never going away, and we're doomed."

He didn't say anything like that lol. He specifically said that the vaccine will keep you from getting extremely ill, but it may not prevent reinfection and it may not prevent spread.

Even if the only good thing about the vaccine is it prevents serious hospitalization, even if you can still get infected and spread it, it would still be worth while getting as many people vaccinated as possible.

No, if the vaccine's not going to prevent "reinfection" (the state of not only contracting the virus, but falling ill to it's effects rather than the immune system killing it before it can cause damage), then you've just talked yourself out of any reasonable request that those who don't want the vaccine should take it.

Literally nothing either one of you is arguing promotes the idea that the young and healthy should take the vaccine if they don't want to, and certainly none of it supports mandatory vaccination of any form.

youre trying to disprove that the flu vaccine exists

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Dec 22 2020 09:35am