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Jan 30 2021 09:38pm
Quote (KrWWW @ 31 Jan 2021 10:34)
He's likely going to talk at hearing and I know when he was president they didn't want him to

if he does speak in front of senate, this will be his first appearance since inauguration right?

it would be, and i dont see this happening. i dont think the senate would want it (extend that to all of Congress and the White House tbh)
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Jan 30 2021 09:39pm
Quote (excellence @ Jan 30 2021 10:38pm)
it would be, and i dont see this happening. i dont think the senate would want it (extend that to all of Congress and the White House tbh)


he wants to though, and I think he will
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Jan 30 2021 09:41pm
Quote (KrWWW @ 31 Jan 2021 10:39)
he wants to though, and I think he will

is this coming directly from him or someone that might actually know? or is it wild speculation? he is afforded this right by law. dont think its a wise idea to exercise it, imo.
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Jan 30 2021 09:47pm
Quote (excellence @ Jan 30 2021 10:41pm)
is this coming directly from him or someone that might actually know? or is it wild speculation? he is afforded this right by law. dont think its a wise idea to exercise it, imo.


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Five of Trump's impeachment lawyers have stepped aside a little more than a week before his Senate trial in a disagreement over legal strategy, sources say


honestly, I'm just going off this, but I know I've read in past that he wanted to speak at first hearing in House
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Jan 30 2021 10:48pm
Trump still triggering the TDS crowd, I see. LOL



Trump parts ways with impeachment lawyers: source

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment/trump-parts-ways-with-impeachment-lawyers-sources-idUSKBN2A001T

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump abruptly parted ways on Saturday with two lawyers who had been working on his defense for his Senate impeachment trial in what a source familiar with the situation described as a mutual decision.

Butch Bowers and Deborah Barberi, two South Carolina lawyers, are no longer on Trump’s team, the source said. The source described the move as a “mutual decision.”

It leaves Trump’s defense team in turmoil as he prepares for a trial starting on Feb. 8 to consider an article of impeachment passed by the House of Representatives charging Trump with inciting the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol by his followers.

“The Democrats’ efforts to impeach a president who has already left office is totally unconstitutional and so bad for our country,” said Trump adviser Jason Miller.

“In fact, 45 senators have already voted that it is unconstitutional. We have done much work, but have not made a final decision on our legal team, which will be made shortly,” Miller said.

Forty-five Senate Republicans backed a failed effort last Tuesday to halt Trump’s impeachment trial, in a show of party unity that some cited as a clear sign he will not be convicted of inciting insurrection at the Capitol.


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Jan 31 2021 07:45am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 30 2021 09:19pm)
The idea is that the House members are supposed to represent the voters in their district. You dont see folks from purple or "untrumpy" districts like Peter Meijer or John Katko getting censured - but when the Republicans in places like Wyoming (Cheney) or South Carolina (Rice) stand overwhelmingly behind Trump, it annoys them when "their" representative knowingly votes the other way.

Now, I consider these censures an overreaction and would prefer to just see Cheney et al. primaried without mercy at the next best occasion, but I can see why very pro-Trump local activists and officials want to send a message to their representatives in DC... reminding them that they're well-advised to know where their base stands.


Bowing down to every desire of your radicalized base(who are part of a personality cult) is the opposite of leadership.

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Bowing down to every desire of your radicalized base(who are part of a personality cult) is the opposite of leadership.


They are elected and sent to Congress to represent their district. They are accountable to their voters. The voters have every right to remind them of who they represent. This is democracy.
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Jan 31 2021 08:58am
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They are elected and sent to Congress to represent their district. They are accountable to their voters. The voters have every right to remind them of who they represent. This is democracy.


The voters are free to vote him out the next election. Representatives do not take an oath to be mindless robots doing whatever the people who voted for them want... they take an oath to defend the Constitution.

And saying "it's what the voters want!!!" is an incredibly weak argument. It can be deployed to defend literally anything. And when the voters are becoming increasingly radicalized, maybe people like yourself should think about the consequences of leaders doing whatever their voters want.
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Jan 31 2021 08:59am
Quote (IceMage @ 31 Jan 2021 14:45)
Bowing down to every desire of your radicalized base(who are part of a personality cult) is the opposite of leadership.


How patronizing. The political class are not enlightened shephers whose job it is to show their uneducated, misguided sheep the way - they are serving at the behest of their voters to represent their interests.
If a politician doesnt like the views of his base and cannot bring himself to represent them anymore, be it out of ideological or moral reasons, then he is free to step down and allow someone else to represent them.

For far too long, Republican officials used the energy from their base, who cared about stuff like abortion or immigration, to get into power and delver them Wall Street tax cuts and foreign wars while treating their own voters with thinly veiled disdain.
The base is sick and tired of it, they're no longer having any of it.

This, by the way, is the secret sauce of Trump's unwavering support from the base. The people always sensed that the majority of GOP officials think of them as uneducated, unwashed rubes and proles, that they hate and loathe them behind closed doors . For all his flaws, failures, corruption and incompetence, Trump always made his base feel loved and respected, and they loved him back because of it.

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Jan 31 2021 09:10am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 31 2021 09:59am)
How patronizing. The political class are not enlightened shephers whose job it is to show their uneducated, misguided sheep the way - they are serving at the behest of their voters to represent their interests.
If a politician doesnt like the views of his base and cannot bring himself to represent them anymore, be it out of ideological or moral reasons, then he is free to step down and allow someone else to represent them.

For far too long, Republican officials used the energy from their base, who cared about stuff like abortion or immigration, to get into power and delver them Wall Street tax cuts and foreign wars while treating their own voters with thinly veiled disdain.
The base is sick and tired of it, they're no longer having any of it.

This, by the way, is the secret sauce of Trump's unwavering support from the base. The people always sensed that the majority of GOP officials think of them as uneducated, unwashed rubes and proles, that they hate and loathe them behind closed doors . For all his flaws, failures, corruption and incompetence, Trump always made his base feel loved and respected, and they loved him back because of it.


Spare me the silly populist whining about elites not caring about the rubes back home.

We have an entirely different view of leadership. I believe representatives must, at times, make choices that may be unpopular with their voters, because it is the right thing to do. You clearly think that the will of the voters must be carried out, regardless of facts, evidence, the effect on the country, how crazy that will is, etc.

This sort of thinking is how the right-wing became so radicalized. Why would we tell voters what they don't want to hear? Just cater to every dumb impulse they have... it gets politicians votes and media personalities money. Surely this couldn't end badly.
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