Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 22 2020 07:36am)

If 20% of the population got the vaccine, the death rate would drop by 75%. Most people are not at risk from this.

Then you have cities like Pennsylvania that call gunshots to the head "COVID deaths".

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 07:41am)

In a general sense, those at low or no risk from the virus, or who have already had the virus, or actively want the virus to develop antibodies so when the next and even worse strain comes along they'll have some resistance simply don't want shit pumped into their bodies that they feel they don't need.

Antivaxxers are just what they are. Like, I would never discourage someone from getting vaccinated. I merely respectfully decline a vaccine I don't need. I have the antibodies, I'm not worried about it.

I think the #1 factor that needs to be observed is that people are, at heart, responsible for their own health. Therefore, those who want the vaccine should get it as it becomes available. Those who don't, shouldn't. If some who opt not to get the vaccine catch the virus and die, then they die. Nobody lives forever. It's well within their right to choose their hill.

Quote (kenw @ 22 Dec 2020 04:46)

I just find it irresponsible not to get it when it becomes readily available. They should have a right to choose but in an ideal world where we had the tools to find anti vaxxers who manage to spread the disesase and cause death , the culprit should be charged accordingly.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 07:53am)

No, absolutely not. It has a very low death rate, and almost no lethality or lasting conditions among the majority of the population. Those who are at risk should get the vaccine (if they want it).

The idea that you have a right to inject foreign substances into other people's bodies to make yourself feel "safer" is simple tyranny.

How about, rather than trying to blame somebody else for a person getting a cold and trying to bring legal actions against them, if you want people to vaccinate, you incentivize them to do so. Offer the average person $1000, they'll get the vaccine. On the flipside, if you tell the average person that they either get the vaccine or go to jail, they'll know without doubt their liberty is already gone, and they will rise up and fight you.

Quote (kenw @ Dec 22 2020 07:46am)

I just find it irresponsible not to get it when it becomes readily available. They should have a right to choose but in an ideal world where we had the tools to find anti vaxxers who manage to spread the disesase and cause death , the culprit should be charged accordingly.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 07:53am)

No, absolutely not. It has a very low death rate, and almost no lethality or lasting conditions among the majority of the population. Those who are at risk should get the vaccine (if they want it).

The idea that you have a right to inject foreign substances into other people's bodies to make yourself feel "safer" is simple tyranny.

How about, rather than trying to blame somebody else for a person getting a cold and trying to bring legal actions against them, if you want people to vaccinate, you incentivize them to do so. Offer the average person $1000, they'll get the vaccine. On the flipside, if you tell the average person that they either get the vaccine or go to jail, they'll know without doubt their liberty is already gone, and they will rise up and fight you.

Quote (Skinned @ 22 Dec 2020 04:57)

/drivel

Quote (kenw @ 22 Dec 2020 05:08)

I guess personal responsibility is wishful libtard thinking. It's sad that as a society that we have to force mask mandates on people for them to grudgingly comply - there's absolutely no concerted effort to quickly neutralize this and move on.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 22 2020 09:14am)

Death rates among the healthy working age population are virtually non-existent. Comorbidities and advanced age account for nearly all deaths. I get that this confuses you, but telling a healthy 20 year old they should vaccinate for something that's not going to harm them any more than any other cold or mild flu is absurd.



We agree! Personal responsibility is an absolute must! Therefore, anyone who is in a high risk group should certainly get themselves vaccinated asap if that's what they want. Because viruses happen. If they opt not to get the vaccine and die, it's THEIR responsibility.

Personal responsibility does not and has never meant "For ME to be happy/healthy/safe YOUR obligation is..." Personal responsibility means, "To insure MY happiness/health/safety I will..."

Quote (Skinned @ Dec 22 2020 06:29am)

American is overwhelmingly old and fat. I'm sorry to break it to you.

20 year olds see their parents and grand parents.

Non autistic humans require social interaction.