Nowai! Bring it. Let's get everyone infected now. Those who die die, those who don't, don't, and life can continue.

Let's be honest, nobody cares about transmission rates. Everyone cares about lethality rates.

i care more about how much were letting government control us now...

Letting? When opening up your business gets you arrested and charged, protesting over lockdowns gets you arrested and charged, but antifa/blm rioters are allowed to loot and burn willy nilly, it seems more of a "being forced" than "letting". Just saying.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 21 2020 09:41am

Let’s be real, for the 102073829310th time

Nobody cares about mortality rates. It’s not part of any reasonable conversation when dealing with the immediate problems corona poses. American medicine is great and we can keep people alive for a long time. This is a distraction used by the lazy or dishonest or uninformed

Hospital capacity, staff capacity are the main metrics that matter

This post was edited by Bazi on Dec 21 2020 09:50am

No, those are the metrics YOU care about. Everyone suffering through artificial lockdowns that don't help for shit care about mortality rates. Over 99% of all cases of Covid have mild or no symptoms at all. Hospitalizations are exceedingly rare when compared to the number of people who catch it. And the vast, overwhelming majority of hospitalizations are 70+.

So, I WANT a strain that rages through the population so damned fast that any vaccine is moot. Everyone's gotten it, with the exception of those with no immune systems nobody's gonna recatch it, it'll be fine. Jumpstart the workforce, get shit back in order.

Ah so you want an over saturated medical system and all cause mortality to break records that this country has ever seen before.

Got it

Quite the opposite. The only way the medical system will be saturated is if the at risk (retirement age) group do not self-quarantine. And frankly, if they opt not to control their own personal risk factors, fuck 'em, they can die. We've shut the fucking world down for 8 months to "save grandma". Time for grandma to worry about herself. Life goes on. Either she utilizes her 65+ years of life experience to avoid covid, or she gets it, and that's on her. Hospitalization rates at this time among those under retirement age vary from 12% to 40% depending on the locale. Think about that for a moment. Those 65 and over make up 16.5% of the population, yet 60-88% of the covid hospitalizations.

This is NOT something to impose martial law over. If it requires a wonderful new strain that breaks the hospital system for 2 weeks while old people die to make it so the rest of the fucking planet can move on? Good. Do it.

This is incredibly wrong. The at-risk population is not the group that will over-saturate the medical system. Even though the not at-risk population is substantially lower risk, by a factor of around 1/100 or 1/1000, they make up a sizeable portion of the population that they alone will saturate the medical system.

Now you add the fact that the at-risk population cannot adequately quarantine if everybody else is constantly spreading the virus, and the solution to quarantine the at-risk population is shown to be a death trap.

The fact is that no matter how well the at-risk population quarantines, they still need to get food and supplies, still need their income, and cannot totally avoid the lower risk groups. Unless we actually implement some system where we replace wages for high risk groups, and then provide them with everything they need, and implement mass testing so the infected can quarantine, it won't work. Oh hey, the way to make it work is to do everything the experts have been telling us to do!

Such a circular conversation, one that’s been had several times over

It isn’t just covid patients that lose when saturation is reached. Every patient admitted to the hospital loses. It’s a miracle, somehow when there is one nurse to 9 patients, delayed labs, delayed vitals, everyone suffers.

There is a reason that, right now , nurses are being paid $178/hour. The shortage is that real and is going to get worse over the next month.

It will not be a romantically described 2 weeks of a broken system then business as usual

Or you can just refuse care to those at least risk.