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Oct 5 2016 05:30pm
Quote (Pollster @ Oct 5 2016 07:23pm)
This is exactly why you can't just create an alternate reality and hope everyone only watches something once and is easily fooled. I understand he was in a difficult position with few options but that can't be your strategy, because that can only work for a couple of hours if you're at your luckiest, a day maximum if some other distraction comes along and catches everybody's attention.

There was inevitably going to come a time when, yes, people were going to see that Trump really did say in a very matter-of-factly manner every single thing that Tim Kaine said that he said (and the chances were high that with a low initial audience that most people were going to see this debate through the coverage, not the initial viewing). That simple confirmation was not only going to make Trump sound crazy or extreme, which those comments already do on their own, but the added message reinforcement helps drive home the point that when Trump and Pence are in front of the cameras talking to you they're just going to straight up lie to you every single time that they get asked a question that they can't find a way to get out by attacking Hillary Clinton, and the odds are 100% that when they're talking about her, they're lying about her, too.


More like Kaine was specifically egging him on to get those sound bites out of him. He may have lost the debate but Hillary won the debate.

The sacrificial lamb.
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Oct 5 2016 05:35pm
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More like Kaine was specifically egging him on to get those sound bites out of him. He may have lost the debate but Hillary won the debate.

The sacrificial lamb.


Clinton slammed the GOP A-Team at the Benghazi hearings if you watched those. Chewed them up and spit them out. I'm not surprised she is having such an easy time with this.
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Oct 5 2016 05:47pm
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More like Kaine was specifically egging him on to get those sound bites out of him. He may have lost the debate but Hillary won the debate.

The sacrificial lamb.


Well that's a main function of their job, really THE main function of their job, however you want to phrase it -- egging on, or setting up that contrast between Clinton and Trump then, now, and over the next 35 days. The election is about them.

Debates are set pieces in a campaign. The object that they're all at least supposed to be attempting to accomplish is winning the campaign, not any one debate. That VP debate was as much about ensuring that certain questions and certain topics definitely come up during the 2nd presidential debate on Sunday, and that they receive prime placement, especially since that VP debate came in the middle of a brutal 10-day stretch when the Clinton camp was savaging Trump on the ground and on the air. When you're winning the long game, you want to keep playing the long game.
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Oct 5 2016 06:22pm
Quote (Pollster @ Oct 5 2016 05:23pm)
There was inevitably going to come a time when, yes, people were going to see that Trump really did say in a very matter-of-factly manner every single thing that Tim Kaine said that he said


No, there isn't. What alternate reality are you living in, where people even remember what was said a week later?
Average americans aren't going to spend weeks analyzing every sound bite from the VP debate, even the media isn't even going to make the story last a full week cycle, nobody is going to remember any of it let alone come to new conclusions out of the blue.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 5 2016 06:25pm
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Oct 5 2016 06:40pm
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another week, another 8-figure attack ad buy via the candidate promising to 'keep money out of politics'
can't possibly manage to spend that on a positive image on her actual campaign since there is none.

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No, there isn't. What alternate reality are you living in, where people even remember what was said a week later?
Average americans aren't going to spend weeks analyzing every sound bite from the VP debate, even the media isn't even going to make the story last a full week cycle, nobody is going to remember any of it let alone come to new conclusions out of the blue.

as if a glorified intern at a polling company qualifies as an 'average american' :rofl:
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Oct 5 2016 06:41pm
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another week, another 8-figure attack ad buy via the candidate promising to 'keep money out of politics'
can't possibly manage to spend that on a positive image on her actual campaign since there is none.


as if a glorified intern at a polling company qualifies as an 'average american' :rofl:


It's not nice, it's not nice. :cry:
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Oct 5 2016 06:42pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 5 2016 04:22pm)
No, there isn't. What alternate reality are you living in, where people even remember what was said a week later?
Average americans aren't going to spend weeks analyzing every sound bite from the VP debate, even the media isn't even going to make the story last a full week cycle, nobody is going to remember any of it let alone come to new conclusions out of the blue.


that's why the campaign put out a convenient ad doing it for them mere hours after the debate ended

and it will float around the internet getting more and more views
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Oct 5 2016 06:49pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Oct 5 2016 06:42pm)
that's why the campaign put out a convenient ad doing it for them mere hours after the debate ended

and it will float around the internet getting more and more views


an ad they won't bother to run on national TV, so nobody will see it, a drop next to the numbers who watched the debates.
How does that qualify as "There was inevitably going to come a time"?

The only inevitability was that americans wouldn't care what was said in the VP debate if nothing extraordinary occurred. It was inevitable it would be forgotten. It doesn't matter that Pence won it, it didn't matter anything Kaine tried to weedle out of him and butchered in execution, because it was inevitable that people were not going to care what kaine said trump said and whether he actually said it or not.
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Oct 5 2016 07:04pm
Quote (excellence @ Oct 5 2016 08:40pm)
another week, another 8-figure attack ad buy via the candidate promising to 'keep money out of politics'
can't possibly manage to spend that on a positive image on her actual campaign since there is none.


8 figure? As in you think that ad cost over $10,000,000 to make?
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Oct 5 2016 07:10pm
Quote (Voyaging @ 5 Oct 2016 21:04)
8 figure? As in you think that ad cost over $10,000,000 to make?

ad buy = buying airtime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_buying
https://www.google.com/search?q=ad+buy&rlz=1C1AFAB

not that a strung out dependent would know the difference

stick to howlers.

Quote (Voyaging @ 18 Jul 2015 08:26)
I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).


Quote (Voyaging @ 18 Jul 2015 12:46)
Yeah actually on second thought, Trump is going to lose far worse than Paul did.


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