Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 2 2020 01:14pm)

I definitely don't have ever answer, I don't follow this stuff nearly as closely as I used to. I just don't have that kind of time anymore. Thing is, I've been waiting for you to jump on the many points I'm ignorant on, but you haven't. I'm not some wall of arrogance that will never admit ignorance or fault, it's just that in this conversation you've been unable to find legitimate holes in my arguments.

However, there's a few points I've made that are really obvious even without having a full grasp of the situation, and these points are acknowledged by pretty much every Trump supporter on the forum except you and maybe one other person.
1. The whistleblower would not have testimony relevant to the case.
2. Republicans are preventing witnesses with relevant information from coming in.
3. Trump's primary motivation for his investigation was for personal political gains.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 2 2020 12:28pm)

Democrat-allied employees within the government were trying to remove Trump from day one. The whistleblower was reportedly overhead conspiring on how best to "get rid of" the president. His links to both Schiff's office and Biden are well documented. Of course that's relevant, because a main criticism is that this is a rushed, partisan process driven by a House that despises the president. Separately, we need to understand whether government officials acted inappropriately because of personal disagreements with the president's policy. That's unacceptable, and we should be trying to identify and punish those responsible.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 2 2020 10:28am)

Democrat-allied employees within the government were trying to remove Trump from day one. The whistleblower was reportedly overhead conspiring on how best to "get rid of" the president. His links to both Schiff's office and Biden are well documented. Of course that's relevant, because a main criticism is that this is a rushed, partisan process driven by a House that despises the president. Separately, we need to understand whether government officials acted inappropriately because of personal disagreements with the president's policy. That's unacceptable, and we should be trying to identify and punish those responsible.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 2 2020 01:30pm)

Even if I assume 100% of that is true, and the whistle-blower is a compromised shill, it really wouldn't matter because enough evidence came forward to substantiate the president's abuse of power.

You're a few weeks behind dude, the talking point hasn't been "he's innocent" for a while. It's "it doesn't rise to the level of removal" now.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 2 2020 10:36am)

We're well beyond that.

We're at the stage where the president has been effectively exonerated of committing an impeachment worthy offense, and we now need to do the deep dive in order to understand exactly how deep the rot that created this farce goes.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Feb 2 2020 01:38pm)

The dive isn't deep.. (insert deep state Fox talking points) I ALWAYS insert this point until you guys will finally get into your head "fake news/deeps state/False actors" all those tag lines come from Fox not ONE of you have ever spoken them without being taught to
Its Mitch and his cronies working with the WH to make sure tRump gets what he wants. openly admitted said in public.
Discussion over.

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 2 2020 10:41am)

I don't watch Fox News.

It's a little ironic being called a dupe of media talking points from a guy who goes around calling the Senate Majority Leader "Moscow Mitch".

Quote (bogie160 @ 2 Feb 2020 19:36)

We're well beyond that.

We're at the stage where the president has been effectively exonerated of committing an impeachment worthy offense, and we now need to do the deep dive in order to understand exactly how deep the rot that created this farce goes.

Quote (GLYC123 @ 2 Feb 2020 13:08)

Right, keep thinking that way. You refuse to acknowledge any flaw in what you say (and there's been many). I at least can admit when I don't have every answer, and am capable of acknowledging another perspective.

You're the exact reason why people would rather hang out and drink beer with a Trump voter that will say "Yeah, he tweets and says dumb shit but at least he has some good policy", without trying to attack someone for having a different political view and that is capable of agreeing to disagree. Those are the people individuals would actually like to be associated with.

So. Thanks for promoting Trump!