Quote (dannywanghere @ Jun 24 2025 11:11am)

This argument makes absolutely no sense

It's extremely valid to apply skepticism selectively because person X is different than person Y. If you found out your babysitter is a convicted child molester, you would be more skeptical of them than if your babysitter was your brother. It doesn't matter if the equivalent environment exists and they behave identically, their past affects how skeptical you are about their actions

Quote (ferdia @ Jun 24 2025 01:00pm)

I would argue that, when taking your idea, and applying it to Israel, if Israel were to stop its rapid expansions in the west bank, israeli society could potentially break down, on the basis that this could be perceived as a punishment. the fact that israel is stealing this land (punishing the palestinians and removing their future) is not seen by israel as a punishment.

noting the historic culture of "this land is ours yesterday, today and tomorrow" no israeli leader would survive reversing, REVERSING settlement expansions. The map over time of the West Bank, tells its own story.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 24 2025 12:03pm)

Being irrationally skeptical about everything is no different than being irrationally obedient about everything. Its just the other side of the irrational coin.

Quote (SBD @ Jun 24 2025 11:19am)

Given his absolute proness to exaggerate and his absolute requirement to provide a posative outcome from this given his platform included not involving the USA in things of this exact nature, does provide some room for skepticism of what he preaches and it's probably wise to not take it as absolute fact.

Quote (dannywanghere @ Jun 24 2025 07:11pm)

This argument makes absolutely no sense

It's extremely valid to apply skepticism selectively because person X is different than person Y. If you found out your babysitter is a convicted child molester, you would be more skeptical of them than if your babysitter was your brother. It doesn't matter if the equivalent environment exists and they behave identically, their past affects how skeptical you are about their actions

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 24 Jun 2025 16:56)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. The ceasefire needs to hold up in the long run. And even if it does, the deeper conflict between Israel and the Iranian regime doesn't go away just because they got their shit kicked in this time around and their nuclear program was set back by 10-20 years.

To use the Israeli metaphor: the lawn was mown very thoroughly, but the grass will keep growing back over time.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 24 2025 07:14pm)

pre-October 7th support for conservative Net-and-yahoo government was waning. settlement policy was polling at all time lows. support for 2-state has risen for a long time.

i dont think its a stretch at all that post-war peaceful desires could arise from Israel. it happened in the USA after iraq and afghanistan. warmode mentality always runs out eventually.

Quote (El1te @ Jun 24 2025 11:12am)

It makes perfect sense you just struggle with reading comprehension

Again, ad hominem fallacy. Attack the substance of the argument

Quote (ferdia @ Jun 24 2025 11:20am)

sorry this reminded me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mcilRFipdA

Quote (dannywanghere @ Jun 24 2025 11:29am)

I explained my argument without supporting or not supporting Trump. It included a specific example of the logical fallacy in your post

You responded with zero substance and can only attempt a personal attack. Embarrassing

Quote (El1te @ Jun 24 2025 11:33am)

> you commit the ad hominem fallacy against Trump

> I point this out

> you accuse me of ad hominem because I pointed it out

Can't make this shit up, stay in school kids