Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 10 2023 05:28pm)

How do you reconcile the idea that "Hamas is the duly elected & supported government of Gaza" with the fact that there hasn't been an election held since 2006?

Quote (El1te @ Oct 10 2023 05:35pm)

Initially elected in 2006 - they continue to be supported by the population of Gaza with a strong majority. That makes them the legitimate representatives of the people within Gaza.

There's nothing to reconcile. They have no elections because they, the majority, wanted that to be such.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 10 2023 07:31pm)

Goom gave a decent breakdown of the sequence. China stepped in trying to build a bridge between the two, which is happening, with Yemen war being stopped as the first step. To think this has nothing to do with Iran backed Hamas or Israel is naive.

Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 10 2023 04:25pm)

Jared Kushner's foreign policy overture has been aimed at uniting the Israelis and the Saudi-aligned powers in the mideast, to the explicit exclusion of the Iranians and their proxies like Palestinians. That's the whole point. We had decades of pussyfooting around with a three-way power dynamic of Israel vs KSA vs Iran, with America trying to tepidly reach out to the Iranians while in bed with the Saudis. The bold initiative of Trump was to take an axe to that entire peace process and just give up on the Iran deal and Iranian appeasement, normalize relations between the KSA and Israel and build a regional alliance against Iran. Instead Biden came along and froze the Trump era efforts, and then China filled the power vacuum by inserting itself to mediate between Iran and the KSA to try to patch that divide. After which, 3 years late, Biden was trying to revitalize the Saudi-Israeli process that Trump started and we were expecting an announcement in a matter of weeks or months

That's also likely a reason why Hamas, possibly at Iran's guidance, organized this attack, to try to scuttle the Saudi-Israeli relations.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 10 2023 09:35pm)

Initially elected in 2006 - they continue to be supported by the population of Gaza with a strong majority. That makes them the legitimate representatives of the people within Gaza.

There's nothing to reconcile. They have no elections because they, the majority, wanted that to be such.

Quote (El1te @ Oct 10 2023 05:35pm)

Initially elected in 2006 - they continue to be supported by the population of Gaza with a strong majority. That makes them the legitimate representatives of the people within Gaza.

There's nothing to reconcile. They have no elections because they, the majority, wanted that to be such.

Quote (Bazi @ Oct 10 2023 08:39pm)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: x 1000

I have said over 20 times it has to do with Iran

Saudi Arabia has every intention to keep the peace and the Muslim alliances without any Chinese variable are very well established

The statement this happened because of increased Iran and Saudi relations is as I said - extremely misguided

Reread your friends post

Despite his bias, it is an accurate summary of events

Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 10 2023 07:47pm)

You keep saying that Palestinians don't want peace, but Israelis don't want that, either.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 10 2023 07:49pm)

My statement was that it is linked, not caused. Geopolitical maneuvering is complex and opaque, especially to us dweebs on the internet arguing on some random forums. Do I think this happened because the US released some 6Bn of Iran's own money? No. Do I think this is reflective of the desire to blow up the potential alliance between Israel and the surrounding Arabs? For sure. And it doesn't take a genius to understand that Iran would greatly benefit from this.

Now it's very difficult to prove that this event was Iran backed or caused or directly linked to the normalization between SA & Iran. I honestly don't know. But what's obvious is the repercussions of Israel being heavy handed is Muslim condemnation in unison. Iran & SA putting aside their difference (with Yemen war coming to a close) and China brokering further talks is a pretty big deal. And the Hamas pawn move could have been just another move to damage these talks (Israel-SA)

Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 10 2023 03:44pm)

SA & Iran to become friendlier has a link to this

Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 10 2023 07:12pm)

I know people in PaRD give you a lot of shit, but are there people who read this post here and disagree???

This seems like a very fair take.