3 that we know of,
it seem you are worried about our hostages.

I will happily agree with you that yes, the iof has destroyed the most tunnels in the north but what, 10km of it? There's over 500km of tunnels under gaza.

It has been 81 days and despite your claim of "no Jabalia" hamas has been launching rpgs everyday in that area, my claim that you don't own the land unless you own the tunnels underneath it stands. I was gona post the videos but decided against it but I added a map for all to see; 81 days and every blue area is not clear of hamas infrastructure underneath.

You guys are really good at bombing churches and killing kids though.

not as good as Hamas it seems

Dude are you completely ignorant?

Israel could've turned Gaza to glass by now? They allowed international pressure and SJW tears to deter them from their sole objective. Destroying Hamas.

If Israel would've responded the way the United States did right after 9/11 this "conflict" would be over and the number of churches, children, hostages, terrorist, etc. would be a number spoken about in the news cycle for a few weeks then right into the dust bin of history.

The United States used 9/11 as a pretext for a never ending war on "terrorist" and the bombing and destruction of several nations(most of which were by no means directly responsible for 9/11)(Think Saudi Arabia)(WMD's)

Israel KNEW that HAMAS was responsible for the 10/7 attack within hours of it happening and the IDF probably had foreknowledge before hand as well.

Despite everyone "crying" that Israel is "murdering innocents" they fail to acknowledge the logical karmic debt that was about to be redistributed in the form of retribution for those killed on 10/7.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. How could anyone think that the pretext for Israel's actions is anything other then a response to a "terrorist attack" on their own soil.

It's sad and it's tragic but do you expect anything else out of modern warfare? If someone cut your moms head off and raped your sister would you "brush it off" or would you "bomb the fuck" out of anyone remotely deemed responsible and break laws in the process. Criminals and terrorist have to be met with BRUTE FORCE otherwise like a cancer they will proliferate and spread.

This conflict isn't ending any time soon and that's exactly how all the real "powers that be" want it. So when/if it dulls down they'll just dump gasoline on the fire. Plain and simple.

More terrorist being created daily as Israel kills children/woman/elderly/etc. in Gaza. Please tell me how this is any different from what the US did in Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/etc. when they carpet bombed whole cities "getting the bad guys" while simultaneously creating "even worse" more "radical" terrorist in the process. If anyone of us had our family/friends killed by a titan military we'd become just as likely to become a "terrorist" too.

Never ending process. US military stratagem at it's finest. Create wars on other peoples soil. Build massive military bases/infrastructure in the name of freedom/democracy. Steal resources necessary for maintaining "top dog" status.

A lot of people criticized the United States when they pulled out of Afghanistan for leaving all this equipment worth hundreds of billions of dollars and how the US was "stupid" and "didn't know what they were doing". They knew exactly what they were doing. Creating a power vacuum strategically in a place where places like Russia, Pakistan, Iran, China would have to "keep an eye" on.

People often forget that the 40 trillion dollars the US is in debt to the Federal Reserve was actually just a printing press used to turn the United States into the most powerful military on Earth(bigger then the next 10 combined) while the "American Petro Dollar" was the reigning currency up until this very day. Now there's all this talk about BRICS as if they could duplicate what the US did over the last 75 years using the worlds reserve currency to our complete advantage.

Ordo Ab Chao. Order through chaos. We create the chaos to maintain the order. It's that simple.

You brought up alot of points but I'll address these:

I absolutely expect more out of modern warfare. Proportional responses exist and modern technology helps with this endeavor.
If someone cut my mom's head off and raped my sister I would not brush it off but I also would accept the ethnic cleansing of innocent civilians. I would personally do everything in my power to find those responsible and torture them to death but again if uncle sam just started drone striking a bunch of children that had nothing to do with it I would be more upset at the MIC using a travesty to support its goals of increasing their share price.

This conflict is very similar to those other conflicts you listed and I detest american/Israeli imperialism all the same.

Israel can turn the entire Gaza Strip into rubble but let me know when they take the fight to hamas in the tunnels, until then saying "the idf could glass gaza" has absolutely no relevance to the topic at hand

So when 500,000 Iraqi children were killed through mostly "sanctions" and Madeline Albright said, "It was worth the cost" I don't remember a giant public outcry, but now that social media and MSM have made it infinitely easier to produce propaganda around anything and everything the IDF does in "Gaza" it's the "end of the world" and these "barbarians" murdering "innocent civilians" should be stopped at all cost!!!

Seems to me that people are way more "emotionally" invested in this conflict which for 99 percent of the people posting in this thread has literally ZERO effect on your day to day life. That's why I've repeatedly said "stop pretending you give a shit". You don't. If you did you'd take in a Palestinian family fleeing Gaza into your own home. You would go protest not in the streets of a 1st world country like SJW's do(check your privilege) but in Tel Aviv.

You say you don't support American/Israeli "imperialism" but what can you do about it aside from "bitching about it"? Nothing.

As for my comment on "turning Gaza into glass". I've stated 100's of pages ago what I meant by that. Israel is holding back and could launch far more advanced weapons systems and/or break international treaties with impunity like so many "supposedly" "dictatorial regimes" have done throughout history. Even recently.

I also don't consider "hiding in tunnels with a handful of hostages" a "win/win for Hamas". I see it as cowards who bit off more then they can chew scared to face retribution. If Israel used "nerve gas" or something else internationally frowned upon and killed thousands of terrorist at the cost of a few hostages I doubt it'd be enough to get Iran or some other entity to attack Israel. The liberal tears won't save hostages in tunnels and they won't prevent any Gazan citizen from death. If Israel decided to do that it's not enough to start WW3. I thought they'd gas the tunnels not "flood tunnels with sea water" but I guess Hitler systematically killing millions of Jews through gas chambers "rubs people the wrong way". Any military strategist I've seen speak on the matter has said "gas it". If the price is "Iran getting involved". Good. The United States will then have a reason to attack Iran which they've always wanted to do.

I guess we'll see how it plays out. I still think Israel and Ukraine are proxies of the US government or a "means to an end" in a much more "unseen" and "unspoken" conflict with the real super powers(US, Russia, China). I also think people are naïve to believe MSM when they say "China and Russia" are now "best buddies". So were Germany and the Soviet Union? At the end of the day Russia and America are more alike ideologically and China is a far greater threat to them then any other countries.

What governments share with the public is for "public consumption" only. No military intelligence would give up an inch to inform a predominanlty ignorant and uninformed/misinformed public.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Dec 26 2023 06:19pm

Well I'll adress your points as best as I can. First of all this conflict has massive repercussions for the average citizen, mainly political unrest due to the protests and huge economic pressures because of the blockade in the Red Sea. This is not simply a political situation (for me) but a religious one aswell and I certainly give a shit. No one should take gazan refugees because Gaza is their home and they don't deserve to be genocided because some lawnchair boys breached the most sophisticated military apparatus in the world.

One thing I can assure you of my friend is I am not simply bitching about this online, to some this is a religious calling and I for one am ready to die in the war of Armageddon. There are vast consequences to the genocide happening and the west is about to feel the consequences of unchecked immigration.

You may not see this as a win for hamas but I'll just simply disagree here because I've addressed this earlier.

The iof had already gassed tunnels (methane) and successfully blown them up. If you think that the US going to war with Iran is a good idea, perhaps we should deal with Ansarallah first before we get tangled into another forever war in the middle east.

Israel has simply bit off more than it can chew(by design) and now, once again, it's up to the states to play peacekeeper and try and restore balance in the ME. But hey fuck it, I'm down for a world War, are you?

1) Don't you find it kind of ironic how one of the most advanced military intelligences(Israel) just "stood down" on 10/7 when it's now been revealed that they knew "something" was going down. That massacre went on for hours and hours and it was almost as if a "stand down" order was given when you think about the speed of IDF's air force and their ability to respond. Not saying that's what they did but something a lot similar happened on 9/11. Fighter jets weren't scrambled to down those "hijacked" planes despite them being "aware" they'd been "overtaken" and the US Air force could've downed them in less then 7 minutes. I've seen a lot swirling around about how the "Festival" was moved even closer to the Gazan border. We all witnessed the lack luster reponse by the IDF that day but now they are doing exactly what the US did when we were supposedly attacked by as you say it "lawnchair boys".

2) Religion since it's inception has been a tool used by a small elite to pit the masses against each other in a never ending "war". A war physically and a war in the "hearts and minds" of men.

3) Glad your willing to die in a holy war between all the Abrahamic faiths. Oh how foolish they look now compared to Hinduism, Buddhism, or any other religion that teaches you to bow to an invisible God. You don't have to be an atheist to see through this manipulation. Instead of just reading the Quran, Bible, or Torah you should read some Eastern philosophy so you don't feel so hopelessly entwined in the Abrahamic "stranglehold".

4) Any "sleeper cell" immigrants that cause destruction on American soil will not only face a superior military but an armed populace whose sick of paying taxes and giving out "free-bee's" to "immigrants" who don't even learn the English language and to countries who can't lift their own weight.

5) Every World War has required us to get involved so that will never change. Some say Pearl Harbor and the sinking of the Lusitania just like the gulf of Tonkin incident were "planned" to get the American populace to support the war. Looks more true as time goes on.

6) America has always had the ability to sustain itself without help from other countries. We still have fertile soil. The greatest fresh water body on Earth(The Great Lakes). Alaskan and Texas Oil reserves and if the American public was told, "Sorry everyone we can't live "high off the hog" anymore we wouldn't have a choice but to revert back to producing everything ourselves. So even blocking the Red Sea/Strait of Gibraltar/Panama Canal would not "destroy us" we would just no longer have 1st world amenities and people would be forced to actually "work" again.

7) WW3 was inevitable. We live on a "finite" planet in a modern society that was sold on "infinite growth". Eventually because of the destruction we've caused to the biosphere the planet itself will not support most biological life. The United States, Russia, and China will do anything to insure their "people" don't starve. That includes mass murder / genocide. The collapse of the biosphere will force everyone's hand and imo that's when the EMP's go off and pure chaos erupts world wide and billions die in a short period of time. This isn't a science fiction movie. This isn't Agenda 2030 or the "New World Order" this is "abrupt climate collapse" caused by anthropogenic changes to our formerly once thriving planet. I don't think the top military powers on Earth are "fucking around for fun". I don't think the wealthiest billionaires are building bunkers "for fun". I don't think countries build DUMB(Deep Underground Military Bases) for fun. They do it because they know things we the public are not purvey too.

8) I'm not trying to argue with you over Israel/Gaza I just want you to admit that there's a lot going on "behind the scenes" that only top military intelligences are aware of and the idea that me, you, or anyone posting in this threads "life" is of any "value" to a system that ruthlessly kills anyone and anything is delusional. I had a friend the other day say that because he's a "Plumber" that the "Elite" will need him. They don't and they publicly say the age of "humans" is over and they literally have always kept their word. Israel isn't your enemy. Russia isn't your enemy. China isn't your enemy. The United States isn't your enemy. The Jews, Catholics, Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhist, Hindus, Christians are not your enemy. YOU are your own worst enemy and power corrupts absolutely. It's all in your mind. Find peace there forevermore and you will no longer toil and toil relentlessly to no avail.

1) it's ironic that before 10/7 Israel was almost at a breaking point and everyone wanted bibi out. Now he's their G-d Emperor. 9/11 gave uncle sam the ability to control the ME oil and setup military bases, funny how that works.

2) agreed.

3) Thank you, martyrdom is not for the faint of heart.

4) not sleeper cells my friend, americanized muslims. If we can't protect our souther border and put up with the summer of love, what makes you think that we will stop this type of civil disobedience?

5) agreed

6) Our strategic oil reserves are depleted and restarting fracking/drilling takes months with huge capital investment. What is America now 20millionbarrelsperday? How much of that do we get from the ME? The last thing America needs is what's happening in Gaza.

7) I believe that ww3 was inevitable for religious reasons but your point remains correct

8) I absolutely agree with you that there is an absolute ton of backdoor dealings behind the scenes. I may trash the iof but mossad is the foremost spy organization in the world bar none, however I will never subscribe to the notion that one man, whoever that may be, cannot make a difference.

then go and die alongside your valiant hamas brothers lmao

the doom and gloom shit in this topic is out of control