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Strong men who get hit by a piece of shrapnel are carried away on stretchers because they're too weak to walk, and theres no shame in it. Trump didn't put any pejorative labels onto those suffering from PTSD, he simply stated some will be psychologically strong enough and some won't, thats a dry statement of fact. The problem is the coloring of stigmatization so often perpetuated by other veterans that they don't want to admit to any weakness. When their culture is one that refuses to show weakness, they repress their suffering and bring it back with them and self destruct. When other vets try to spin PTSD as something as if it were a chance condition or contagious virus or chemical in the air, so they don't need to admit weakness, what they're doing is perpetuating that same climate. Being too proud to admit weakness is the problem, trying to apply euphemisms to it only makes it worse. It discourages veterans from confronting their psychological issues, and leads many away from seeking treatment.

I think the right way to frame it is to say that strong men can and will have mental issues/trauma from war that needs dealt with, and there's no shame in seeking help. That would work better than saying, "yeah, you are mentally weak, you need to accept that you are weak and seek help". We're dealing with human beings here, not coldly logical robots.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 4 2016 07:04am

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Oct 4 2016 07:05am

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Biden has been in beastmode lately

best 2 surrogates she has right now are obama and biden

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In a series of tweets beginning early Monday morning, conservative author Michael Reagan renounced his support for Donald Trump’s candidacy and said that neither Nancy nor Ronald Reagan would have supported the Republican nominee.

Reagan, the son of the former President and his first wife, Jane Wyman, has recently criticized Trump in his columns. On Thursday, he wrote that Trump "doesn’t know when it’s time to just shut up” in response to the GOP nominee's targeting of former Miss Universe Alicia Machado and his clumsy handling of a birtherism question at the first presidential debate.

Reagan’s tweets began as a response to Trump making the bizarre claim Saturday at a campaign rally in Manheim, Pennsylvania that Hillary Clinton had been unfaithful in her marriage.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-reagan-trump-tweetstorm

Open the link to read his tweets. Lol, it's all coming to an end Trumpeters.

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Oct 4 2016 07:07am

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+ Michelle

that's true and she may win over more voters than the other two combined since she does the daytime tv route and such she may actually be seen by some of those mythical undecideds or may convince some to vote

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Oct 4 2016 07:17am

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+ Michelle

Open the link to read his tweets. Lol, it's all coming to an end Trumpeters.

Time to play Taps for the Trumpet?

Ontopic though, support from the Republican establishment has never been his forte. Are there any people who hold major clout with his current demography who would influence them if they abandoned Trump?

Another question: How much does AM radio influence his voter base? I've now seen it mentioned multiple times that AM radio shows are very pro-Trump.

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Oct 4 2016 08:17am

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Its framing it in such a way that stigmatizing mental weakness. If you have to use euphemisms and avoid calling it what it is, you make it shameful and the word itself pejorative.
Some men have a strong immune system and get exposed to a disease and never show a sign of it. Some men have weaker immune systems and need antibiotics so they don't die. Theres no shame, nor should there be.
What would happen in a world where soldiers viewed getting physical medical treatment for disease or wounds as shameful, that true warriors aint got time to bleed? That admitting they are in mortal jeopardy becomes stimatized?

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The way I framed it isn't avoiding anything but language that would not be accepted in warrior culture. It's not incorrect to say that strong men who have mental issues because of the trauma they experienced in war should seek help. It's not in any way helpful for warriors to hear "hey, you weren't mentally strong enough to handle the traumatic experiences of war, you need to accept that you are weak and seek help". I think that your framing of it is more stigmatizing than mine is.

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Oct 4 2016 08:54am

a man that has never had to hunt in life, never had to make a name, never had to sacrifice, never had to truly struggle, never had to survive without being atop the net of safety he was born on wants to talk about the weaknesses of others

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