Quote (Black XistenZ @ 16 Dec 2020 07:55)

Let's put some data behind our discussion. Here's a chart of the 7-day incidence per 1m pop for selected countries:
https://i.imgur.com/QyZaDWF.png
Source: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-09-15..latest&country=DEU~USA~GBR~ITA~FRA~POL~ESP&region=World&casesMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

As you can see, the UK, France, Italy, Spain and Poland (combined population: around 278million, the U.S. have 330m) all had huge incidences in late October and early November. The U.S. only pulled "ahead" over the past 2 or so weeks to again be in a class of its own.

You can also see that Germany currently neither has a particularly huge incidence, nor a dramatic surge, relative to its neighbors, which is why I disagree so vehemently with our lockdown a week before christmas. I also struggle to see how our healthcare system is supposed to be near its breaking point like our politicians and experts claim, considering the fact that we have a more well-equiped and resilient healthcare than our neighbors and had lower numbers throughout October and November.

Which brings me back to my original gripe: our government should either have taken precautions back in October to keep our numbers really low, or it should let things fly for one more week until after Christmas, so that our retailers and inner cities dont get devastated. Imho, it would have sufficed to do the lockdown during the two weeks after christmas, where schools are closed and most businesses are going through a lull anyway.

Quote (Bazi @ 16 Dec 2020 08:27)

Were your hospitals at saturation points during the early November spike depicted ? I don’t know anything about German hospital saturation or heard about it during that time?

Aka if all those numbers are accurate don’t know why EXTREME measures need to be taken now in Germany? Lockdowns should only be when hospital saturation is an honest threat

Quote (Bazi @ 16 Dec 2020 08:27)

Were your hospitals at saturation points during the early November spike depicted ? I don’t know anything about German hospital saturation or heard about it during that time?

Aka if all those numbers are accurate don’t know why EXTREME measures need to be taken now in Germany? Lockdowns should only be when hospital saturation is an honest threat

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 16 2020 02:59am)

Not affraid to be banned from health sector if you claim this publicly ?

Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Dec 2020 12:50)

Why would he be worried? Lockdowns are an extreme measure that should only be done when other measures have failed.

Quote (SuperSpreader @ 16 Dec 2020 12:57)

it's weird tho when i was filled with holes 1.5 months ago, after they woke me up on a COLD slab in the morgue with hooks everywhere, the regulations were medium, i would say.
when i went back a week or two ago to say thank you, the restrictions were so high that the first question these good people asked me was, "how the hell did you get in here?"
i mean i just told them the truth that, yeah, "i get in everywhere."
they all had a good laugh at that and it was nice. but it really is weird that the restrictions and "precautionary" measures against the fake unseen enemy are getting tighter after all this time when we the people expected them to be released months ago

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 16 2020 08:29am)

"Lockdowns should only be when hospital saturation is an honest threat" was the exact sentence.
Avoiding bed or ventilator capacity overrun is a threshold to absolutely avoid for sure, but i see nowhere why it should not be done even before:

Especially : doing a lockdown before it's no longer possible to track all clusters. Crushing the virus early.
And what if your country has enormous capacity ? What if it's a disease that cannot be threated so bed capacity is not even a parameter ?

Sorry but bed capacity should NEVER be the "ONLY" condition. As simple as that, it's a global decision, political, even strategical.

Thank you.






cough on your neigbor's door knob, only few months left.

Quote (SuperSpreader @ 16 Dec 2020 13:38)

i think i contribute too much to this world
where is my history month