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Dec 25 2023 06:40am
Quote (zorzin @ 25 Dec 2023 14:05)
If in three (3) months the IDF is still trying to root out Hamas, this then means that the IDF is a third world tier army.

What do you think about the new proposed ceasefire?


In return, Israel would release 120 Palestinian security prisoners of the same categories. During this time, hostilities would stop, Israeli tanks would withdraw, and humanitarian aid would enter Gaza.

The second phase would see an Egypt-sponsored “Palestinian national talk” aimed at ending the division between Palestinian factions — mainly the Fatah party-dominated Palestinian Authority and Hamas — and leading to the formation of a technocratic government in the West Bank and Gaza that would oversee the reconstruction of the Strip and pave the way for Palestinian parliamentary and presidential elections.

The third stage would include a comprehensive ceasefire, the release of the remaining Israeli hostages, including soldiers, in return for a to-be-determined number of Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli jails affiliated with Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group — including those arrested after October 7 and some convicted of serious terror offenses. In this phase, Israel would withdraw its forces from cities in the Gaza Strip and allow displaced Gazans from the enclave’s north to return to their homes.

www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-submits-proposal-to-end-war-free-hostages-form-pa-hamas-government-in-gaza/amp/


You speak as if you are an expert of modern urban warfare against terror organization embedded in civilian population.

I am against ceasefire until they all get out with white flags.

This is the last war on Gaza in my opinion.
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Dec 25 2023 07:19am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 25 2023 07:40am)
You speak as if you are an expert of modern urban warfare against terror organization embedded in civilian population.

I am against ceasefire until they all get out with white flags.

This is the last war on Gaza in my opinion.


Thank you for the compliment! I try and stay as informed as one can be on the situation. Sinwar just released this statement below and it seems fairly accurate. The idf has taken huge casualties (especially your nco's) and idf armor has been getting pot shotted for weeks ( using tanks and apcs without an infantry escort has its consequences) by Yasin 105's. Turning Gaza into rubble all but ensured a total hamas victory because that landscape supports guerilla warfare not open armor Brigades.

I believe that the idf will use this ceasefire as political clout, inorder to start the campaign against Nasrallah in the north. There is a massive buildup of idf forces in the north and they will pull out units from Gaza to aid in this endeavor.

There has been zero (0) ground advances in Gaza for over two (2) weeks probably something to do with all those lost merkava's?


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Dec 25 2023 07:36am
Quote (zorzin @ 25 Dec 2023 15:19)
Thank you for the compliment! I try and stay as informed as one can be on the situation. Sinwar just released this statement below and it seems fairly accurate. The idf has taken huge casualties (especially your nco's) and idf armor has been getting pot shotted for weeks ( using tanks and apcs without an infantry escort has its consequences) by Yasin 105's. Turning Gaza into rubble all but ensured a total hamas victory because that landscape supports guerilla warfare not open armor Brigades.

I believe that the idf will use this ceasefire as political clout, inorder to start the campaign against Nasrallah in the north. There is a massive buildup of idf forces in the north and they will pull out units from Gaza to aid in this endeavor.

There has been zero (0) ground advances in Gaza for over two (2) weeks probably something to do with all those lost merkava's?

https://i.postimg.cc/nL0HBPgw/1703504470833361m.jpg


It wasnt a compliment,
The IDF didnt lose 8000 thousand soldiers Hamas did.
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Dec 25 2023 08:05am
Quote (zorzin @ Dec 25 2023 07:05am)
If in three (3) months the IDF is still trying to root out Hamas, this then means that the IDF is a third world tier army.

What do you think about the new proposed ceasefire?


In return, Israel would release 120 Palestinian security prisoners of the same categories. During this time, hostilities would stop, Israeli tanks would withdraw, and humanitarian aid would enter Gaza.

The second phase would see an Egypt-sponsored “Palestinian national talk” aimed at ending the division between Palestinian factions — mainly the Fatah party-dominated Palestinian Authority and Hamas — and leading to the formation of a technocratic government in the West Bank and Gaza that would oversee the reconstruction of the Strip and pave the way for Palestinian parliamentary and presidential elections.

The third stage would include a comprehensive ceasefire, the release of the remaining Israeli hostages, including soldiers, in return for a to-be-determined number of Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli jails affiliated with Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group — including those arrested after October 7 and some convicted of serious terror offenses. In this phase, Israel would withdraw its forces from cities in the Gaza Strip and allow displaced Gazans from the enclave’s north to return to their homes.

www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-submits-proposal-to-end-war-free-hostages-form-pa-hamas-government-in-gaza/amp/


This sounds like a very raw deal for Israel, and completely unrealistic expectations of Palestinian politics.
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Dec 25 2023 08:26am
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 25 2023 09:05am)
This sounds like a very raw deal for Israel, and completely unrealistic expectations of Palestinian politics.


Agreed, Hamas will never let's another entity decide its internal politics but 8000 freed Palestinians as well as important hamas generals for a handful of hostages seems like a good deal.

Hamas has already rejected the deal, it would appear that Israel is not in the driver's seat with regards to these negotiations.
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Dec 25 2023 08:37am
Quote (zorzin @ 25 Dec 2023 16:26)
Agreed, Hamas will never let's another entity decide its internal politics but 8000 freed Palestinians as well as important hamas generals for a handful of hostages seems like a good deal.

Hamas has already rejected the deal, it would appear that Israel is not in the driver's seat with regards to these negotiations.


Our entity decides for them for the last 80 days.
Gazas started publicly blaming Hamas - this never happened before and just shows Hamas loses its grasps

If you wont go voluntarily they will go violently

This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 25 2023 08:37am
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Dec 25 2023 09:02am
https://x.com/aliimortada/status/1738844663904190624?s=46

You know whats funny?
They are mocking us Israelis but when we get in and we will they will cry where is the UN where is the Arab world we are alone call the ICC.

Pathetic
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Dec 25 2023 09:09am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 25 2023 09:37am)

If you wont go voluntarily they will go violently


And how has this approach been working out for the Israelis? Because so far hamas has been absolutely decimating your officers (picrel big thanks to Melatonina for finding this).

Meanwhile your overzealous G-d emperor Netanyahu decided that bombing Bethlehem and Damascus on Christmas was the right geopolitical move to make.

The internal uprising happening in Israel is starting to gain traction and bibi wants war with lebanon/syria because he knows the moment special tunnel operation is over, he is finished. This is why he will never cease in attacking neighboring countries.

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Dec 25 2023 09:17am
Quote (zorzin @ 25 Dec 2023 17:09)
And how has this approach been working out for the Israelis? Because so far hamas has been absolutely decimating your officers (picrel big thanks to Melatonina for finding this).

Meanwhile your overzealous G-d emperor Netanyahu decided that bombing Bethlehem and Damascus on Christmas was the right geopolitical move to make.

The internal uprising happening in Israel is starting to gain traction and bibi wants war with lebanon/syria because he knows the moment special tunnel operation is over, he is finished. This is why he will never cease in attacking neighboring countries.

https://i.postimg.cc/rmTf2qJK/1703497038428273m-1.jpg


It works wonders i didnt had a single alarm for 2 weeks now.

There is no internal uprising in Israel you should feed more off Israeli media and less Hamas media


Regarding damscuss what you dont know yet is that Israel killed a high profile man in the Iranian regime

Israel dont launch rockets into civilian popualtion
But when Israel drops a bomb it has an adress


This post was edited by Many_Names on Dec 25 2023 09:22am
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Dec 25 2023 09:58am
Quote (Many_Names @ Dec 25 2023 10:17am)
It works wonders i didnt had a single alarm for 2 weeks now.

There is no internal uprising in Israel you should feed more off Israeli media and less Hamas media


Regarding damscuss what you dont know yet is that Israel killed a high profile man in the Iranian regime
https://i.imgur.com/RGNFk81.jpg
Israel dont launch rockets into civilian popualtion
But when Israel drops a bomb it has an adress


Well I am glad you're safe and the rockets being fired at Israeli civilians was reprehensible.

I obviously don't know more about the internal politics of Israel than you do but there's still massive protests over this war and I have tons of saved quotes from former politicians/generals about their thoughts on this war.

Yes, you boys got Sayyed Reza Mousavi #4 in the IRGC but this just seems like another provocation of war on Israel's north eastern border. It's almost like bibi wants a four front war
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