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Jan 8 2021 10:32pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 8 2021 10:30pm)
We'll see. I definitely didn't foresee this type of insurrection and that was a game changer.


I figured there'd be protests, clash with police, and some rowdiness.

I did not expect them to breach the capitol and disrupt the proceedings. I especially didn't expect there to be pipe bombs and stuff lol
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Jan 8 2021 10:34pm
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I figured there'd be protests, clash with police, and some rowdiness.

I did not expect them to breach the capitol and disrupt the proceedings. I especially didn't expect there to be pipe bombs and stuff lol


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Jan 8 2021 10:35pm
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Except Romney's comment wasn't anywhere close to true. The 47% do pay taxes, just not federal income tax, and lower income white people who take the majority of welfare benefits tend to vote Republican, not Democrat.

The welfare queen voting Democrat is a super-racist stereotype he was feeding into with that comment.

So no, it's not the same, again you fall for obvious dog-whistles because you go out of your way to give the right wing the benefit of the doubt.


You're deliberately deflecting from the essence of Romney's argument. Yes, everyone will pay taxes when he tanks up his car or buys a pack of chewing gums - but these types of taxes do not make you a net tax payer, which is what this argument really comes down to. The group of people who pay no income tax is almost entirely contained within the group of people who receive more in government services and benefits than they pay in taxes, i.e. net transfer recipients. And this group obviously has no economic self-interest in reducing taxes and government redistribution.

Likewise, it's an incredibly dishonest argument to say that "the majority of welfare benefits go to lower income white people" - yeah, no shit, whites still are by far the largest ethnic group in the country, so in raw numbers, the majority of welfare recipients will be white. What's relevant here, however, is clearly the rate of dependency on government benefits/assistance, and this rate is higher among blacks and latinos, who are both a Dem-leaning demographic.
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Jan 8 2021 10:44pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 9 Jan 2021 05:32)
I figured there'd be protests, clash with police, and some rowdiness.

I did not expect them to breach the capitol and disrupt the proceedings. I especially didn't expect there to be pipe bombs and stuff lol


Quote (thundercock @ 9 Jan 2021 05:30)
We'll see. I definitely didn't foresee this type of insurrection and that was a game changer.

Agreed.


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Its a poorly worded survey that doesn't distinguish peaceful protest from illegal protest.

Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol to protest lawmakers certifying Joe Biden’s election victory. Based on what you have read or heard about this, do you support or oppose these actions?

Seems pretty straightforward to me..."stormed the US Capitol" is OBVIOUSLY fucking illegal.


That's a really timid description of what happened. It omits the fact that the storming of the Capitol was not just illegal, but above all violent. It also omits the fact that these people were not just there to "protest" Joe Biden's victory, but to pull off a coup by overthrowing the election results.


"Storm the Capitol to protest lawmakers doing XYZ" is an appropriate description of what happened during the Kavanaugh hearing - but not of Wednesday's events, where pipe bombs were used and 5 people died. So yes, the way this survey question was worded downplays the events significantly, which skews up the approval for this statement.

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Jan 8 2021 10:49pm
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You're deliberately deflecting from the essence of Romney's argument.


Stopped reading because I couldn't have picked a better choice of words to illustrate the exact thing I was saying.

When Republicans say something you go out of your way to pick out "the essence". When Democrats do something you actively interpret it in the worst possible light.

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Jan 8 2021 10:49pm
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Supporters of President Trump have stormed the US Capitol to protest lawmakers certifying Joe Biden’s election victory. Based on what you have read or heard about this, do you support or oppose these actions?

Seems pretty straightforward to me..."stormed the US Capitol" is OBVIOUSLY fucking illegal.


No the wording is actually really important.

Trespassing is illegal. Destruction of property is illegal. Storming is a vague verb considering there were several different sects of the protest. 98% of the protestors never went inside the capital building. Its purposefully vague because the person asking the question is a quack like you.

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Jan 8 2021 11:03pm
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No the wording is actually really important.

Trespassing is illegal. Destruction of property is illegal. Storming is a vague verb considering there were several different sects of the protest. 98% of the protestors never went inside the capital building. Its purposefully vague because the person asking the question is a quack like you.


really hard to say this and be a trump supporter

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Jan 8 2021 11:12pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 8 2021 10:49pm)
No the wording is actually really important.

Trespassing is illegal. Destruction of property is illegal. Storming is a vague verb considering there were several different sects of the protest. 98% of the protestors never went inside the capital building. Its purposefully vague because the person asking the question is a quack like you.


Yeah because when I hear we're gonna "storm something" I think we're gonna assemble for a peaceful protest where nothing violent happens.
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Jan 8 2021 11:17pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 8 2021 11:30pm)
We'll see. I definitely didn't foresee this type of insurrection and that was a game changer.


DC Security decreased their ground presence because they were accused of being racist against BLM. Of course it was gunna fucking happen.
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Jan 8 2021 11:19pm
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