Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 12 2020 03:46pm)
Wait, so now your claim is that hospitals are... over capacity? Again, I'd have to ask where.
Looking at the dashboard, there are only a couple states where Covid and/or flu patients are using even 25% of beds. Most states, it's 1 in 8 (12.5%). So, if there are hospitals that are "over capacity" that means they're still conducting routine "non-emergency" business. So I'm not doubting that there may be some hospitals, most especially in urban areas, and potentially in "rural" towns with a high percentage of elderly patients. But you're behaving as though this is a common problem impacting everyone. I'm just not seeing it. Not only not seeing it from the anecdotal level, I can't find any evidence of it from the healthcare reporting systems. Perhaps you can provide some sourcing, or...?
And yeah, as far as all time low flu numbers, big shock. Apparently coronary disease is down as well. Which brings us back around to overreporting regarding covid, underreporting elsewhere.
To put a fine point on it, you seem to be exaggerating the shit out of the "covid hospital crisis". There's no reporting on it, there's no official complaints over it, and there's absolutely the ability to go and build temporary hospitals again, like back in April. So some evidence of your claims would be good.
Also note: Death-wise, there were roughly 138K deaths reported between April 1st and July 11th. That was after things were already heating up. Going into the cold season, from September 1st through December 11th, there's been roughly 113k deaths. Same amount of time, far fewer deaths. So if hospitals are being overwhelmed in your area, I believe it may be necessary to ask some basic questions regarding policies followed with patients, severity, are you turning away asymptomatic cases, etc.
Effectively, April-July, stardard policy changed in hospitals to, "If it's not an emergency, don't show up at the hospital." Due to that policy, a ton of hospitals saw capacity drop to record lows. It appears that you're indicating that no such policy has been adopted for the new flu/covid season. Is that correct? If so, why? If covid influx is as terrible as you say, non-emergency shit should be pushed off, yes?
Hospitals across the Midwest over the last 3-4 weeks have been increasing beds beyond staffing to accommodate the increased volume and still falling short, the definition of over capacity. Everyday there are tens of patients in any given ER waiting for a hospital bed with flooded waiting rooms. As I said earlier, this last week has been a bit better than where it has the 3 weeks prior, but likely temporary. You are asking where, the question has already been answered. All across the Midwest hundreds of beds have been added by turning single patient rooms into make shift doubles. This strategic maneuver has lessened the load but it is a matter of time (week) before the efficacy of that strategy is maxed as well. Do you really think asymptomatic patients are admitted to hospitals? May I ask what you do for a living that would allow you to make such an erroneous assumption?
Just because YOUR news outlets are not mentioning how overwhelmed hospital systems are, does not mean it isn’t reality. Most local news stations across the Midwest indeed are reporting on it. I would not expect it to be the subject of routine National news, it was a couple weeks ago but people get bored of hearing about it. You can google any hospital system in the Midwest and most have social media in regards to bed situations. I am not exaggerating anything. If you aren’t lazy you can just google xyz city in the Midwest and type hospital capacity after it. For example Des Moines:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kcci.com/amp/article/unitypoint-des-moines-health-reports-all-hospitals-at-capacity/34622200-30 days later no change
-can be utilized for any city in the post prior and basically any city in the Midwest
Re : Flu - again, lol. There is no “under reporting of flu”, the cases simply are not present. When someone comes to the hospital the same covid screen tests for about 15 other viruses as well. There have been historic lows with flu, likely from mitigation efforts, not “under reporting.” There isn’t a conspiracy to hide flu.
“Most states at 12.5% covid “ - do you not understand how high this number is? When hospitals approach 100% capacity during winter times, do you think it is easy to increase personal/beds/equipment with a snap of the finger , across every hospital in a region? You don’t recognize the significance of your own statistic. Non emergent procedures/surgeries have been canceled for the last 30 days in counting, you don’t think that would be the first modification to make?
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Also note: Death-wise, there were roughly 138K deaths reported between April 1st and July 11th. That was after things were already heating up. Going into the cold season, from September 1st through December 11th, there's been roughly 113k deaths. Same amount of time, far fewer deaths.
Deaths always will lag cases, and new cases still have not reached peaked, but regardless you selected erroneous timeframes. Did I say anything about capacity in September or October? Quite clearly September and the majority of October were fairly calm times in terms of cases so why would you expect to see deaths there? It is easy to cherry pick timeframes, but any 3rd grader can tell you when the peak deaths (up to this point) are occurring. If you’re trying to, honestly, compare peaks you will compare the summer peak to the winter peak which last until January. Maybe you can come back and tell me in February how different the peaks were.
This post was edited by Bazi on Dec 12 2020 04:44pm