Nobody has claimed covid isn't real. Why must ignorant communists insist Covid is so devastating that it requires martial law? The numbers are readily available. The overall number of deaths due strictly to covid (not covid as a contributing factor, just covid, no comorbidity) is roughly 20K. And of those 20K, 95% were age 70+.

I'm curious why you're so invested in insisting on martial law over a cold that you want to lie about the numbers.



There's no data whatsoever to back that up. Places with no lockdowns and places with draconian lockdowns have suffered virtually equally.

No matter what else covid is, it's still a coronavirus, is spread like every other coronavirus, has the same incubation period as other coronaviruses. It's spread like a cold, has the symptoms of a cold, and behaves like a cold. Unfortunately, unlike other coronaviruses (colds), it's brutal among the elderly. Almost as brutal as the Flu was prior to the creation of the Flu vaccine. The difference is that the flu kills young people. Covid does not. Given, however, the introduction of infected patients into nursing homes during lockdowns, I'd say that if there were no lockdowns, FEWER people would have died.

Measuring the death count of a deadly illness strictly by people with no comorbidities is completely absurd. People who are sick or unhealthy, but met their end by a deadly virus, get included in the death count of that virus.

The reality is that the excess deaths per year show the COVID death count is probably higher than the official number.

Again, my question is why do people like yourself try to deny that? Is it because Trump did a horrible job responding to it? Is it because he's also trying to deny it exists? Why do you embarrass yourself by doing this?

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 12 2020 11:56am

They did not meet their end "by a deadly virus" in a mass number of those cases. They'd have died either way. Covid as a contributing factor merely hastened the inevitable. And thus far, covid-related "excess deaths" are relatively low, by most standards. We'll still need to see end of the year numbers for a sure telling.

And your post does not address the question in any way, shape, or form. How does locking down working age healthy people under martial law protect the elderly and sick?

The reason you refuse to answer the question is because there's only one answer: It doesn't. Bottom line: It does not save the life of one single 90 year old to prevent a 30 year old from providing for their family. What saves the life of the 90 year old is incentivizing them to self-isolate. AKA, voluntary quarantine for those who are at the highest level of risk. And guess what, the percentage of people 60+ who are still working? Surprisingly low. I mean wow, telling retired people, "Stay home, don't go to the gym or restaurants or wherever, and we'll help pay your bills" would have been great! Think of all the people who could have been saved!

Instead, we implemented martial law, broke massive international supply lines, and an estimated 100 million to 270 million people will starve globally by May 2021.

So, answer the fucking question: How does forcing martial law on the healthy protect the sick? Go on you science denying communist filth, explain it to us.

wut.. this is crazy logic..
dont label people that have high blood pressure (then get cancer) as dying from cancer, as they would of died anyway..

But that's what you're trying to do. Label people who lethal heart disease who were in the last months of their lives as "covid deaths" because... Why?

Perhaps it's time you stop pretending to know what you're talking about and look at the numbers on who died from what. The most common causes of deaths among people who had Covid were Heart Disease, Diabetes, Chronic Respiratory Disease, Hypertension, and Cancer. And if you go and start looking, it appears that death numbers due to Heart Disease, Diabetes, Chronic Respiratory Disease, Hypertension, and Cancer are all considerably DOWN compared to previous years. Why might that be? Is it because rather than categorizing them by what actually killed them, they've been categorized as dying "from covid" instead?

I'm still waiting to hear the explanation for why Martial Law needs to be imposed on the healthy to protect the sick though. LMK when you have a scientifically viable answer. Because according to the CDC and WHO, "lockdowns" aka martial law should be avoided at all costs, the death tolls broken supply lines are causing vastly dwarf even the worst possible risks of covid at this point.

That's simply not true. Many sick people would've lived for years more had they not contracted COVID. Again, the excess deaths tells us what the true body count is, which is even more than the official one.

Again, why do you deny this? Is it the insecurity around Trump's response that makes you deny reality?

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 12 2020 12:24pm

yOu CraZY coMMunist oNlY DeAths WithOUT virUS count.

Right? My wife has been living with asthma for about 15 years now. She's not in any immediate threat of death. Her asthma is well controlled by medication. If she were to contract COVID though, it could get very dicey very quickly.

100% false. I've lived with Asthma for 30 years. Covid was a big nothing. Flu was much worse. Assuming she'd die because of her asthma is an incredibly stupid assumption.



You have no proof of this whatsoever. It's just words. "They would have lived many years!" Really? Who, which ones? What did they have? And what quality of life? And excess death does tell us a body count. And based on current excess death, that body count is incredibly low.

I'm not going to lie. At this point, I'm so much more concerned about the 100 million to 270 million who're going to die of starvation globally due to your oh so vaunted martial law edicts than a bunch of 80+ year olds kicking it a month early that it's not even funny.

"You want grandma dead!" Nope, I want grandma to exercise some personal fucking responsibility and self-isolate. Meantime, the working age need to keep working, or else we end up breaking international supply lines and causing mass starvation.

The bottom line: Lockdowns have accomplished nothing positive. Masks have accomplished nothing positive. The negative amounts to a greater death toll than Nazi Germany could ever have hoped for. Communist Death Tolls for communist policies. Funny enough, mass starvation was the #1 weapon of the Soviets as well.

yes because everyone has the same reaction to COVID.