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Oct 11 2019 01:29am
https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1182441506600374272

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1129761193755910144

In any normal administration Rudy would've been fired yesterday. But part of Trump's brand is surrounding himself with corrupt swamp creatures... and the sheep who support him just nod along.

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Oct 11 2019 06:45am
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Oct 2019 07:21)
They're easily verifiable documents. If they had been faked by the journalists who reported them, they would have been mercilessly excoriated by the Omar defense squad
I've verified a few of the documents myself. I even linked you to some right on the .gov pages.
Again, this is like you're denying the moon landing.



They don't have all the power in the world to look into it. Most of it falls under state jurisdiction, and that would be up to the discretion of Keith Ellison, and she's Ellison's direct successor in the MN-5 seat.
The parts that fall under federal jurisdiction and could be proven in court are also things that have no recourse. We have proof she filed her taxes illegally, but so what? The IRS doesn't even investigate tax fraud if its below a certain value, because its cheaper than wasting resources trying to recover minor fraud. Any attempt by Trump officials to weaponize the FBI against her would instantly backfire as her political allies call it persecution. Have you turned on the news for the past month? Look what happened when Trump just politely asked Ukraine to look at Biden's crimes. You'd have to be playing zero-dimensional chess to not look ahead 1 move and see how badly it would go if Republicans tried to skewer Omar.
Besides, if they really did want to abuse their offices to go after her, it would be poor timing to do it in 2018-2019. Her many scandals are an albatross that would be perfect to hang around the necks of the democrats in 2020. She has continued to be a perpetual thorn in the side of the DNC and every time she's up on TV, support for republicans gets a boost. Why would they want to get rid of her? If they're going to kill the golden goose, they're going to do it when its most advantageous in about ~6 months.

And for that matter, local state republicans have been forcing investigations into Omar. Rep. Steve Drazkowski already initiated an FEC complaint that found she committed 6+ violations, and is now pushing a formal request for initiating a house ethics investigation into her. The RNC and Trump don't control him, no puppet strings there, he's just been railing against her for the past couple years. But republicans don't control the house, and Nancy Pelosi isn't about to sanction Omar, for all the same reasons her toxicity is already benefiting the republicans. Its bad enough she's a thorn in the DNC's side, but trying to pull her out would backfire even harder for the dems and cause a progressive revolt.

anyway, all the evidence is laid out there in front of you. You asked for it, you got it.


I actually think it would be most advantageous if the Omar scandal reaches its peak about 2-4 weeks after the Democratic convention, i.e. in 9-10 months.
But yeah, Trump should stay clear of this issue until there really is irrefutable proof. Let local Republicans do the dirty work.
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Oct 11 2019 08:30am
Its definitely going to be "Media simply ignores Trump calling out Ilhan Omar"
Its the next morning and there's only two stories on the entire internet even mentioning it in the headline;
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-rally-minneapolis-impeachment-ilhan-omar-joe-biden-antisemitic-attack-latest-a9151456.html
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29438321/donald-trump-minneapolis-rally-ilhan-omar/
the independent only spends 5 words of their article on the allegation though ("she had married her brother") and esquire has zero readership and their article doesn't even say what the allegation is
thats it, for the whole internet as far as I can tell

here's how most MSM outlets covered it by burying it and not commenting;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/trump-somali-refugees-minneapolis-rally/
Conspicuously, despite being a hit piece on Trump and accusing him of racism, it simply neglects to even mention the single most inflammatory thing he said at the rally. It says nothing at all about the fact he accused her of marrying her brother
the vast majority of reporting I've read has been like that

Only a handful of MSM even covered it, From MPRnews's "Fact check":
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/10/fact-check-president-trumps-minneapolis-rally-speech

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What he said: “As Scott reported, everything about Omar is a fraud, including her name. Scott reports his sources told him that Omar’s legal husband was Omar’s brother and that she married him for fraudulent purposes. You mean like coming into the United States, maybe?”

The facts: Trump was quoting extensively from the Power Line blog, where author Scott Johnson first posted about allegations that Omar married her brother as part of an immigration fraud scheme while she was a candidate for the state House in 2016. Power Line said Omar wasn’t legally married to the father of her three children, Ahmed Hirsi, but to another man, Ahmed Nur Elmi. The blog alleged Elmi is her brother.

Omar has said she married Hirsi in her faith tradition in 2002 but they didn’t tie the knot legally. They separated in their faith tradition in 2008 and the following year she legally married Elmi, according to court records. She said she eventually separated from Elmi, a British citizen, in her faith tradition and she reconciled with Hirsi in 2011. She didn’t legally divorce Elmi until 2017 and didn’t legally marry Hirsi until 2018. Records that definitively show family ties between her and Elmi have not surfaced. This week, Omar filed for divorce from Hirsi.


That's the most detailed I've seen from any who bothered to mention it, and notice how they simply ignore the allegation and its evidence and don't even try to contradict or verify it, just listing the dates she claims she married/separated without identifying whether its her brother. And despite MPR's complete punt on that fact check, they still got the facts provably wrong, because they credulously repeated Ilhan Omar's lie about separating from Ahmed Hirsi in 2008, despite all the proof they remained living together from 2008-2011. And records showing definitive family ties have surfaced. And its worth noting that any journalist at MPR news has to be aware that the story is 100% true by now, they're more involved in politics than I am and its been around in the Minnesotan political sphere since 2016, so you've got journalists who know its true, lying to people to try to brush it off.

So yeah, this is going to be a case of the news simply ignoring Omar's story. They won't act offended and accuse Trump of racism for repeating it, they'll just try to pretend it never happened. Unless Trump repeats the call on twitter and drives it home, it will just get ignored this cycle
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Oct 11 2019 12:55pm
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/the-donald-trump-experience.php
Scott Johnson himself weighed in today saying the same thing;

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Referring to my work on Omar, the president observed: “Man, do you have her figured out — figured out. The problem is they never pick it up. They don’t want to pick it up, but we pick it up, Scott, and the people get it and we thank you for your great reporting.” The president proceeded to quote my observation — he was quoting from the post “Stand by your sham: Datapoints” — that everything about Omar is a fraud, including her name.

My point, and I do have one, is this. Illustrating the president’s observation about the media, the Star Tribune makes no mention of any of this in Patrick Condon’s story on the speech.

KSTP 11 makes no mention of of any of this in its minute-by-minute “fact-check” of the rally. It doesn’t extract any of the quotes from Power Line or the president’s media criticism. Rather, we have this (comment on 8:31 p.m. clip): “Numerous media outlets have examined this claim, and none have shown any credible, verifiable proof that Omar married her brother.”

The Pioneer Press reduces it to “a shout-out to a writer for a right-wing website, Power Line, who was among the first to report the allegation that Omar married her brother. The allegation has not been substantiated, and Omar has denied it, but she has refused to provide evidence to disprove it, or, in recent months, respond to questions about it.”

Minnesota Public Radio does a little better, but not much.

No mention of what Trump actually said about Omar’s fraudulence or the media’s nonfeasance. Case closed. It’s almost funny.


Case closed.
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Oct 11 2019 05:46pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 11 2019 12:52am)
This proves what?





Uh, that she broke this country's tax and marriage laws.


/e Unless ofc, you consider the Minnesota campaign finance board's investigation, to be "just a blog".

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Uh, that she broke this country's tax and marriage laws.


/e Unless ofc, you consider the Minnesota campaign finance board's investigation, to be "just a blog".


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Oct 11 2019 06:09pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 12 2019 10:46am)
Uh, that she broke this country's tax and marriage laws.


/e Unless ofc, you consider the Minnesota campaign finance board's investigation, to be "just a blog".


This is about her marrying her brother, not breaking minor tax laws.
As to producing proof, obama gave in and produced his birth certificate for you lunatics and the nonsense kept going, trump refuses to release his tax returns so why would she go out of her way to go 2/0 for her party?

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Uh, that she broke this country's tax and marriage laws.


/e Unless ofc, you consider the Minnesota campaign finance board's investigation, to be "just a blog".


well, tax fraud, marriage fraud, immigration fraud, student loan fraud, a whooooole bunch of counts of perjury (8+ on one document, and she just perjured herself in the new divorce filings last week), continuing conspiracy to obstruct justice as they clumsily covered it up, witness intimidation, campaign finance violations, trespassing (lul), and good old fashioned bigamy. Some of it is pretty trivially easy to prove. She filed taxes jointly with Ahmed Hirsi in at least two years while legally married to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, which is proof of tax fraud, non-married couples (let alone married-to-other-people) can't file jointly in Minnesota. And she swore repeatedly on her divorce application that she had no contact with Ahmed Nur Said Elmi from 2011 to 2017, no way to contact him and no idea where he was. While she was repeatedly photographed next to him, chatting with him online, while he was present at the hospital as she gave birth, and as he left the country he went to work for their sister in Kenya. Proving their family status comes down to what people consider 'proof'. Would anything short of a DNA test count? She definitely won't submit to one. But they can prove Ahmed Elmi was raised as ward of Ilhan's sister in the UK, and both Ahmed & Ilhan repeatedly identified the same man as their father and same women as their sisters.

I think historically that its probably the longest list of felonies ever committed by a sitting US congressperson, something the powerlineblog folks remarked on.

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Oct 11 2019 06:28pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Oct 11 2019 08:09pm)
This is about her marrying her brother, not breaking minor tax laws.
As to producing proof, obama gave in and produced his birth certificate for you lunatics and the nonsense kept going, trump refuses to release his tax returns so why would she go out of her way to go 2/0 for her party?




No... this is about you saying there's no evidence of Omar's wrong doing. There's plenty of evidence... this is just the 1st one I came across.

Tax laws aren't... minor. Neither are campaign finance laws. Even Omar's lies and law breaking are only.... 3rd world.
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Oct 11 2019 06:35pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 12 2019 11:28am)
No... this is about you saying there's no evidence of Omar's wrong doing. There's plenty of evidence... this is just the 1st one I came across.

Tax laws aren't... minor. Neither are campaign finance laws. Even Omar's lies and law breaking are only.... 3rd world.


I said there is no evidence she married her brother.
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