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Dec 4 2025 07:19am
The original plan was to call this deviant affair by the established Russian term "Eastern Fairy Tale," but it would have been unclear to most.


Yea восточная сказка
There are much better cartoons I think though…here’s one of my fav’s:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%85_%D1%82%D1%8B,_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8F%D1%89%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%B0!;

There’s more of these, масленица is really good too

/e wouldn’t let me link that link for whatever reason? Russophobia probably
/e2: ух ты, говорящая рыба is the cartoon I linked

This post was edited by colorful on Dec 4 2025 07:22am
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Yea восточная сказка
There are much better cartoons I think though…here’s one of my fav’s:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%85_%D1%82%D1%8B,_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8F%D1%89%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B1%D0%B0!;;;

There’s more of these, масленица is really good too

/e wouldn’t let me link that link for whatever reason? Russophobia probably
/e2: ух ты, говорящая рыба is the cartoon I linked


Восточные Сказки-
Ахмед выколол мне глазки

This is how Cyrillic characters are transmitted - we need to switch to the Latin alphabet. It's unlikely that anyone would start pronouncing them [characters] differently, but understanding would increase many times over.
I sometimes look at Russian or Ukrainian text myself and have difficulties switching over- but that's just a sign of getting old.

This post was edited by Norlander on Dec 4 2025 07:37am
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Dec 4 2025 07:54am
Savages. Undoubtedly orc simps will cheer on the kidnapping and forced transfer of children to Korean concentration camps

The US Senate is examining new evidence of Russia’s systematic abduction of Ukrainian children, as Senators Lindsey Graham and Brian Schatz held a hearing on December 3.

During the session, Ukrainian journalist and media adviser Ostap Yarysh reported that Ukrainian human rights organizations have uncovered information indicating that some children abducted by Russia were forcibly transferred to North Korea.

According to the groups, the children were placed in military-style camps, raising further concern about the scale and intentions behind Russia’s deportation practices.

The revelation was presented at a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, where lawmakers reviewed testimony and documentation on the ongoing forced displacement of Ukrainian minors by the Russian Federation.

Earlier, First Lady Olena Zelenska told a high-level meeting in Paris, held under President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s Bring Kids Back UA initiative, that Ukraine has so far returned 1,859 children abducted by Russia.

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Legal expert Kateryna Rashevska of Ukraine's Regional Center for Human Rights told the U.S. Senate Appropriations panel on Wednesday details of where children were taken to and how they were indoctrinated.



“12-year-old Misha from the occupied Donetsk region and 16-year-old Liza from occupied Simferopol were sent to Songdowon camp in North Korea, 9,000 km from home,” Rashevska said.



“Children there were taught to ‘destroy Japanese militarists’ and met Korean veterans who, in 1968, attacked the U.S. Navy ship Pueblo, killing and wounding nine American soldiers,” she added.


This post was edited by duffman316 on Dec 4 2025 08:17am
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Not only to North Korea, but also to Iran and Belarus :) Mordor, Upside Down and Ingsoc Oceania lol. But really, who would believe Zelenska now, who stole money from her own (which is unlikely, oi wei) people during wartime and still hasn’t been imprisoned.
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Not only to North Korea, but also to Iran and Belarus :) Mordor, Upside Down and Ingsoc Oceania lol. But really, who would believe Zelenska now, who stole money from her own (which is unlikely, oi wei) people during wartime and still hasn’t been imprisoned.


Are you really going to just sweep every bit of negative news about russia under the rug and call it western imperialist propaganda? Russia hasn't done anything whatsoever unethical during this war? The icc doesnt typically issue warrants like this for heads of state.

The international criminal court (ICC) in The Hague has issued an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin for overseeing the abduction of Ukrainian children, sending Russia another significant step on the path to becoming a pariah state.

In granting the request for warrants by the ICC prosecutor, a panel of judges agreed that there were “reasonable grounds” to believe Putin and his children’s rights commissioner, Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova, bore responsibility for the “unlawful deportation” of Ukrainian children.

The warrants are the first to be issued by the ICC for crimes committed in the Ukraine war, and it is one of the rare occasions when the court has issued a warrant for a sitting head of state, putting Putin in the company of the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and the Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir.
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Dec 4 2025 08:45am
All we have seen so far is traditional Muslim hospitality. In Canada, this is already considered normal. As for the "deported" orphans, their numbers have strangely shrunk from tens of thousands to hundreds, and even those were eventually handed over to relatives.
Placing children in a summer camp and placing them in a concentration camp are two different things- but understanding this requires someone who reads more than he writes and whose IQ is slightly above the average Ukrainian one.

https://international-iq-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country

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Apart from trying regime change at the start of the war, Russia has made no attempt, or statement, or taken any action, which would suggest that Russia is planning now, or in the future, to invade all of Ukraine. The population of Ukraine is around 39? million. Ukraine has not lowered the conscription age. Therefore, there will ALWAYS be a Western Ukraine, and with such a population, ignoring all the false narratives and propaganda, Ukraine can hold out, literally, for years. What that means is that we will fast forward to 5 years from now and things will either be the same(unlikely) or worse(likely).

I hope everyone is comfortable because this is going to be a long long time.

I welcome any opposing views from anyone.



1) The frontlines are crumbling, Ukraine is facing a manpower shortage and needs to forcefully conscript new recruits constantly. The Ukrainian economy is wrecked and Ukraine needs a constant flow of cash, military hardware / ammunition / intelligence.

2) The Russians only got stronger. From a ~150K (estimation) invasion force they went to ~600K (estimation) troops on the ground in Ukraine. They now got drone dominance / fiber optic drones / FABS / Geran drones / etc. The whole of Ukraine is getting pounded, their critical infrastructure, industrial base and so on.

So here's my view

Ukraine can only hold out 5 more years if they're able to keep throwing men at it, men who are getting increasingly desperate and are deserting in ever larger numbers. Secondly the West needs to keep throwing taxpayer money into this black hole where everything just disappears and corrupt officials fill their pockets and have golden toilets in their bathroom.

The Ukrainian ultra nationalists / Banderites will keep shoving people into vans but Western funding will dry up. The US is in the process of pulling out and the EU simply cannot take over the US' share and bear the burden for the next 5 years. Like I said before EU member states can't even find the cash to fund their own budgets.

Which is why they're circling Russia's sovereign assets like a bunch of vultures. They simply don't have the cash. If they steal those assets they can fund Ukraine for another ~2 years max but they open pandora's box and I don't believe it will happen.

--> Quick update on the frozen Russian assets from ~25:50 and the difficulties the EU is facing when it comes to funding Ukraine

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1) The frontlines are crumbling, Ukraine is facing a manpower shortage and needs to forcefully conscript new recruits constantly. The Ukrainian economy is wrecked and Ukraine needs a constant flow of cash, military hardware / ammunition / intelligence.

2) The Russians only got stronger. From a ~150K (estimation) invasion force they went to ~600K (estimation) troops on the ground in Ukraine. They now got drone dominance / fiber optic drones / FABS / Geran drones / etc. The whole of Ukraine is getting pounded, their critical infrastructure, industrial base and so on.

So here's my view

Ukraine can only hold out 5 more years if they're able to keep throwing men at it, men who are getting increasingly desperate and are deserting in ever larger numbers. Secondly the West needs to keep throwing taxpayer money into this black hole where everything just disappears and corrupt officials fill their pockets and have golden toilets in their bathroom.

The Ukrainian ultra nationalists / Banderites will keep shoving people into vans but Western funding will dry up. The US is in the process of pulling out and the EU simply cannot take over the US' share and bear the burden for the next 5 years. Like I said before EU member states can't even find the cash to fund their own budgets.

Which is why they're circling Russia's sovereign assets like a bunch of vultures. They simply don't have the cash. If they steal those assets they can fund Ukraine for another ~2 years max but they open pandora's box and I don't believe it will happen.

--> Quick update on the frozen Russian assets from ~25:50 and the difficulties the EU is facing when it comes to funding Ukraine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6zOUdeaiYk


here is my counter argument: what do you mean by hold out? Russia has made no attempt to invade all of Ukraine. Yes, they can sweep across Ukraine next year. so what? Yes they can conscript more men, so what. Ultimately Russia simply WILL NOT invade and control all of Ukraine, because that is a hot potato. 39m people. it can not monitor those numbers. all of Ukraine? a border with Nato? that defeats the purpose. Western Ukraine WILL NOT be invaded/suppressed/annexed.

this is not a pro EU or pro Russia position, this is viewing the conflict and seeing WHY it is going to go on for years.

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here is my counter argument: what do you mean by hold out? Russia has made no attempt to invade all of Ukraine. Yes, they can sweep across Ukraine next year. so what? Yes they can conscript more men, so what. Ultimately Russia simply WILL NOT invade and control all of Ukraine, because that is a hot potato. 39m people. it can not monitor those numbers. all of Ukraine? a border with Nato? that defeats the purpose. Western Ukraine WILL NOT be invaded/suppressed/annexed.

this is not a pro EU or pro Russia position, this is viewing the conflict and seeing WHY it is going to go on for years.


I mean they made a clear attempt to invade all of Ukraine when that looked that it was feasible to blitz the country down and take control over all of it, including the rotten elements they wouldn't want, and maybe try to hash out a deal afterwards to give it to the west. But yes now it makes no sense for Russia to want to take over the west unless they think its the only way to permanently put down an existential threat. I think its too soon to say Western Ukraine will not be invaded/suppressed/annexed. Its not logical for Russia now, but we shouldn't make the mistake of judging a course by only its first order derivatives. Account for the future unknowns, the escalations and dramatic turns. If Putin dies or is assassinated, or Ukraine rejects peace and launches terror attacks on civilians or non-party countries out of desperation, if the Ukrainian government collapses internally and Banderites seize power and the west is left indecisive and waffling over what to do while Russia faces a threat it cannot abide- all conceivable futures.

Some of these could be far-off eventualities, others could happen tomorrow for all we know. Its entirely possible Ukraine could launch a long range suicide drone that hits a civilian aircraft taxiing on a runway, or shopping mall, and massacres hundreds. Would Russia stay the course and keep grinding a slow war of attrition with their aim only to solidify the Donbas and rebuild? How would America react if bombs fell on NYC

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here is my counter argument: what do you mean by hold out? Russia has made no attempt to invade all of Ukraine. Yes, they can sweep across Ukraine next year. so what? Yes they can conscript more men, so what. Ultimately Russia simply WILL NOT invade and control all of Ukraine, because that is a hot potato. 39m people. it can not monitor those numbers. all of Ukraine? a border with Nato? that defeats the purpose. Western Ukraine WILL NOT be invaded/suppressed/annexed.

this is not a pro EU or pro Russia position, this is viewing the conflict and seeing WHY it is going to go on for years.


You threw in the 5 year number, I replied to that saying they cannot hold out that long because they completely rely on funding from the West and funding (including military aid I should add) is drying up.

They're not winning, they're holding out for the moment with the help of the combined West. Delaying the inevitable is probably a better way to describe it
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