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Oct 24 2024 09:25am
Quote (SkySwallower @ 24 Oct 2024 10:17)
What does "admit" here mean? I always had the same stance towards the topic, I am just confused by you refusing to talk about statistics and going back to your anecdotes. I will make it bold, so it becomes more clear:

I do not care about your singular perceived reality, it has no value. If you want to talk about a topic with global impact, understand the numbers

Hope that clears it up, cheers.


It's not my fault you base your reality on "numbers and statistics" and I base mine on what's right in front of my fucking face.

Imagine I walked around at Thanksgiving this year and said to my family "do you remember Covid". They would laugh. The same family who got in fights at Christmas/Thanksgiving because me or someone else wasn't wearing a mask now don't wear a mask and won't take another Covid vaccine. The same people who were in a panic/fear now don't care at all. Why? Because the government isn't telling them Covid-19 or the "new strains of Covid" are going to kill them and their family.

They've now subtly just added Covid vaccines to get with your flu shot. I've never gotten a flu shot and never get the flu. Never took the Covid vaccine and when I got sick for a DAY I didn't go get a PCR test. I drank a ton of water/ took a Vitamin C tablet and slept it off. Wow it didn't kill me...

Will you be getting your Covid booster and flu shot this year?

I won't. Guess whose getting Covid or the flu. You. Because your taking an intinuated virus to beat a virus that you beat when you gained natural immunity being around people with Covid. Notice the stupidity there?

I got natural immunity being around people with Covid and am healthy as can be. Funny how SCIENCE and LOGIC work.
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Oct 24 2024 09:26am
Quote (SkySwallower @ Oct 24 2024 10:56am)
You might not understand the term excess mortality, do not believe in statistics or do not care about the numbers and want to keep believing what you believe anyways. If you tell me which of the three it is I can try a different approach.

And since we use fun anecdotes as data here apparently, everybody I know had COVID at least once, most of them multiplte times. That includes myself (obv), family, friends, work, sportsclub - we even had scheduled games not happening after the lockdowns because whole teams had COVID.

The fact that they shut down my Temple where I go to worship/pray/meditate was disgusting.- Those are the first places I would shutdown in a pandemic, churches stayed open here in germany while stores and schools had to close - what a joke.

Do you see where I'm going with this? I can go all day my friend...why? Because it wasn't Covid that ruined the lives around me it was the POLICY/MANDATES and infringment on basic human rights.- I am sure you can, you are clearly mad about it. A lot of people died, politics was often helpless, communication was bad for long stretches. I think you can be mad about the handling of COVID while still staying in reality.

There is a discussion to be had about the handling of COVID (which was not great all over the world), the value of real life interactions especially for children etc. But you have to base this discussion in facts, and those include a high death toll despite the measures we took. Sweden didn't do any lockdowns and kept schools open (afaik the whole time) and had a much higher mortality rate in their elderly at the time - this is a tradeoff you might be willing to do, but you have to be aware you are literally trading lifes for it.

One last remark to the comorbidity topic: COVID did kill very little healthy adults, I don't think that is disputed. I am lucky enough to still have 3 of my grandparents, and they all have different health complications for at least 20 years each by now (cancers, heart issues, diabetes, decreased lung function) despite relatively healthy lifestyles for decades - that is just part of aging. I would have been incredibly sad if they died to COVID and am happy I got another 3+ years with them.


That's how good the vax was for a simple flu! So good you guys caught it multiple time and still transmitted it which they claimed wouldn't happen. I dream of the day you guys will openly admit you got conned instead of running in circle.

I personally never caught covid nor got the flu since 2019 and i never took that ''vaccine''.

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Oct 24 2024 09:33am
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It's not my fault you base your reality on "numbers and statistics" and I base mine on what's right in front of my fucking face.

Imagine I walked around at Thanksgiving this year and said to my family "do you remember Covid". They would laugh. The same family who got in fights at Christmas/Thanksgiving because me or someone else wasn't wearing a mask now don't wear a mask and won't take another Covid vaccine. The same people who were in a panic/fear now don't care at all. Why? Because the government isn't telling them Covid-19 or the "new strains of Covid" are going to kill them and their family.

They've now subtly just added Covid vaccines to get with your flu shot. I've never gotten a flu shot and never get the flu. Never took the Covid vaccine and when I got sick for a DAY I didn't go get a PCR test. I drank a ton of water/ took a Vitamin C tablet and slept it off. Wow it didn't kill me...

Will you be getting your Covid booster and flu shot this year?

I won't. Guess whose getting Covid or the flu. You. Because your taking an intinuated virus to beat a virus that you beat when you gained natural immunity being around people with Covid. Notice the stupidity there?

I got natural immunity being around people with Covid and am healthy as can be. Funny how SCIENCE and LOGIC work.


I would bet money on you not having a SCIENCE degree, I do have one. No COVID shot for me this year, is not recommended from the people actually understanding the numbers, sorry.
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Oct 24 2024 09:35am
Quote (iLoveMyUsername @ 24 Oct 2024 10:26)
That's how good the vax was for a simple flu! So good you guys caught it multiple time and still transmitted it which they claimed wouldn't happen. I dream of the day you guys will openly admit you got conned instead of running in circle.

I personally never caught covid nor got the flu since 2019 and i never took that ''vaccine''.


"Follow the science!"

Natural immunity won't save you THEY said.....

Too bad everyone I know who never takes a flu shot and didn't take the Covid vaccine WILL NOT GET SICK this fall/winter.

You know who will get sick. The people who get a flu shot/Covid vaccine.

They will never admit they've been conned into take an untested/unsafe inoculation out of sheer Panic/Fear.

Once again people say to me I don't follow the science.....tell me then why Phizer won't release it's data until 2076

Tell me then why every vaccine producer is "VOL" (Void of litigation).

If you took a vaccine and suffer with myocarditis or one of the other 30 pages worth of side effects you can't SUE them when you are fully retarded. Why? Because you took something that the government gave "immunity too".

They can't be sued and now there's people who took vaccines + boosters and have myocarditis for LIFE. I BET they wish they can SUE them but they will never be able too. Why? You didn't read the small fine print when you were getting inoculated.

You didn't read the 30 pages of potential side effects because if you did NO RATIONAL person would take it.

It's why when people asked for the "vaccine insert" most of the time they were BLANK. They wanted everyone to take the inoculation. Imagine when you walked in they said, "Here read this 30 page insert of potential side effects from the vaccine". You would immidetly question the SAFETY of the vaccine.
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Oct 24 2024 09:40am
Quote (SkySwallower @ 24 Oct 2024 10:33)
I would bet money on you not having a SCIENCE degree, I do have one. No COVID shot for me this year, is not recommended from the people actually understanding the numbers, sorry.


I have a Bachelors in Computer science I never used.

The most educated people are not the smartest ones. Any/Every college teaches you WHAT to think and not HOW to think.

I've had this conversation with other people who say, "I have a degree and you probably don't". That's your argument? Not a good one.

OBEY the system and only believe the science they put in your textbook. That doesn't show "critical thinking" it shows that you can repeat what the government told you.

You aren't a virologist or pathologist so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt as well if were going to "go there".
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Oct 24 2024 09:46am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 24 2024 05:40pm)
I have a Bachelors in Computer science I never used.

The most educated people are not the smartest ones. Any/Every college teaches you WHAT to think and not HOW to think.

I've had this conversation with other people who say, "I have a degree and you probably don't". That's your argument? Not a good one.

OBEY the system and only believe the science they put in your textbook. That doesn't show "critical thinking" it shows that you can repeat what the government told you.

You aren't a virologist or pathologist so I'll take what you say with a grain of salt as well if were going to "go there".


I have a masters degree in statistics, my girlfriend is a phd in medicine, so I would say our qualifications might be relevant here
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Oct 24 2024 09:51am
Quote (SkySwallower @ Oct 24 2024 11:33am)
I would bet money on you not having a SCIENCE degree, I do have one. No COVID shot for me this year, is not recommended from the people actually understanding the numbers, sorry.


How many boosters you on now fam? Trust the science!

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I played hockey twice a week during Covid and with people who "had Covid" sometimes. No one gave a fuck...why? Because we are all grown ass men and aren't a bunch of cucks. NO ONE feared Covid will kill any of us and it didn't. Because we remained active and didn't listen to the government and stay locked in our houses we went on with life and NOTHING happened.


I hereby dub thee an honorary snowback!
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Oct 24 2024 09:54am
Quote (zorzin @ Oct 24 2024 05:51pm)
How many boosters you on now fam? Trust the science!



I hereby dub thee an honorary snowback!


One in total, more were not recommended here. IDK, how many do you have and why does it bother you so much?
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Oct 24 2024 10:24am
Quote (SkySwallower @ 24 Oct 2024 10:46)
I have a masters degree in statistics, my girlfriend is a phd in medicine, so I would say our qualifications might be relevant here


That's great that you are both educated but you being a statistician you should know what "statistical bias" is. You should know that there can be ERRORS. When the governments own numbers don't "add up" and aren't correlated to the "raw evidence". Any rational person(even those who don't have a "degree") can see the manipulation of data. The government doesn't have to be honest with the public about "numbers". People don't live their life through numbers. You don't need giant data pools to scale up what's going on around you(microcosm vs macrocosm). Just because you "believe" the numbers doesn't validate anything at all. In actuality I've seen mortuary statisticians whose job is to do the MATH for "excess deaths" for insurance companies say the total opposite of what you are saying. Young people and people in their 30's randomly dropping dead in HIGH numbers right after the Covid vaccine? The MSM even said, "heart attacks in kids and young people is normal now". That was never normal and the numbers don't lie. Look up statisticians who show how the numbers "don't add up". You pretending I don't analyze the numbers and listen to professionals is you trying to pull "Rank" on me because you have a Masters degree. That is not an argument. If you want I'll share that data that shows "ALL EXCESS DEATH MORTALITY" up MASSIVELY. These are statisticians just like yourself whose JOB it is to explain the numbers. What happens when prior to Covid-19 barely any young people were "randomly dying". The numbers don't lie. Since Covid-19 vaccines were administered worldwide "ALL EXCESS DEATHS" up massively in young people. That is not normal and should tell you that the vaccine itself is killing young people but you won't admit that will you? Like I said want me to share the numbers that come directly from Insurance statistician professionals who saw their charts go off the charts?
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Oct 24 2024 10:28am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 24 2024 11:24am)
That's great that you are both educated but you being a statistician you should know what "statistical bias" is. You should know that there can be ERRORS. When the governments own numbers don't "add up" and aren't correlated to the "raw evidence". Any rational person(even those who don't have a "degree") can see the manipulation of data. The government doesn't have to be honest with the public about "numbers". People don't live their life through numbers. You don't need giant data pools to scale up what's going on around you(microcosm vs macrocosm). Just because you "believe" the numbers doesn't validate anything at all. In actuality I've seen mortuary statisticians whose job is to do the MATH for "excess deaths" for insurance companies say the total opposite of what you are saying. Young people and people in their 30's randomly dropping dead in HIGH numbers right after the Covid vaccine? The MSM even said, "heart attacks in kids and young people is normal now". That was never normal and the numbers don't lie. Look up statisticians who show how the numbers "don't add up". You pretending I don't analyze the numbers and listen to professionals is you trying to pull "Rank" on me because you have a Masters degree. That is not an argument. If you want I'll share that data that shows "ALL EXCESS DEATH MORTALITY" up MASSIVELY. These are statisticians just like yourself whose JOB it is to explain the numbers. What happens when prior to Covid-19 barely any young people were "randomly dying". The numbers don't lie. Since Covid-19 vaccines were administered worldwide "ALL EXCESS DEATHS" up massively in young people. That is not normal and should tell you that the vaccine itself is killing young people but you won't admit that will you? Like I said want me to share the numbers that come directly from Insurance statistician professionals who saw their charts go off the charts?


the problem with what you're saying here is that you're drawing up a conclusion that it must be Covid-19 vaccines that are causing increases in heart attacks when there could be a million other factors at play

any good scientist wants to prove that they are WRONG and you are here assuming that you're right about something

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