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Quote (IceMage @ 10 Dec 2020 15:26)
More Americans died from COVID yesterday than on 9/11.

Where is the president? Well, last night he was at a Hanukkah party talking about how he's still going to steal the election.

Why aren't people expecting him to give an address, maybe encouraging people to mask up and socially distance? Or maybe just noting the immense loss and suffering the country has gone through?

How did 74 million people vote for this?


selfishness, fear, despair are few examples.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 10 Dec 2020 15:59)
SnowflakeMage strikes again.

Yes people die. Thats what happens in the real world.
Every waking second does not have to be spent on saying what a terrible thing COVID is.
Its not the only thing that matters.


Oh and stupidity too.
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Dec 10 2020 05:15pm
Had a town hall for my university yesterday.

Pfizer vaccine is stable for 5 days at 4C, which is a typical refrigerator. So distribution won't be concerning on that front.
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Dec 10 2020 07:34pm
The outrage and grief over 9/11 was always based more on the shock of America being attacked at home rather than on the actual death toll.
The talk about "3000 Americans died!!!!!" was always empty rhetoric intended to stir people up and feed public appetite for going to war.


One thing to keep in mind is that the baseline mortality in the U.S. is around 9000 deaths per day, averaged across the year. Since mortality is highest during winter and during summer heatwaves, the baseline for December should even be a bit higher. 3000 deaths from covid on top of that on a single day is very big excess mortality, but it's not thaaat much out of line of what other first world countries were (or still are) experiencing.


Regarding Trump: would he even be able to give a constructive address or find consoling words if he tried? I doubt it. And that's nothing new. His inability to lead or make any positive impact on this crisis is the main reason he lost an eminently winnable race and will go down in history as a SAD LOSER instead of a glorious winner. The big issue is that the situation is fucked up anyway, rather than the leadership vacuum until January 20. Imho, even if Biden could take over today, he couldnt change the trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S. all that much. It's too late for that, it's gonna be a rough winter for everyone. Always was. But then again, it's rough for everyone in the northern hemisphere right now. Europe is quite the disaster too, and even countries like Japan, South Korea or Canada are struggling right now.

Dunno, maybe I'm a cold-hearted bastard, but I dont need calls for preseverance or a morale-boosting rara-speech from my leaders. I dont need nice words, the only thing I'd care about are solutions, a good plan. Something that doesnt devastate either our public health or our social, cultural and economic life. But apparently no Western leader can really offer that.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 10 2020 07:35pm
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hehe rofl. NOPE, 3000 is STILL a super abnormal Extra mortality.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 10 2020 08:34pm)
The outrage and grief over 9/11 was always based more on the shock of America being attacked at home rather than on the actual death toll.
The talk about "3000 Americans died!!!!!" was always empty rhetoric intended to stir people up and feed public appetite for going to war.


One thing to keep in mind is that the baseline mortality in the U.S. is around 9000 deaths per day, averaged across the year. Since mortality is highest during winter and during summer heatwaves, the baseline for December should even be a bit higher. 3000 deaths from covid on top of that on a single day is very big excess mortality, but it's not thaaat much out of line of what other first world countries were (or still are) experiencing.


Regarding Trump: would he even be able to give a constructive address or find consoling words if he tried? I doubt it. And that's nothing new. His inability to lead or make any positive impact on this crisis is the main reason he lost an eminently winnable race and will go down in history as a SAD LOSER instead of a glorious winner. The big issue is that the situation is fucked up anyway, rather than the leadership vacuum until January 20. Imho, even if Biden could take over today, he couldnt change the trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S. all that much. It's too late for that, it's gonna be a rough winter for everyone. Always was. But then again, it's rough for everyone in the northern hemisphere right now. Europe is quite the disaster too, and even countries like Japan, South Korea or Canada are struggling right now.

Dunno, maybe I'm a cold-hearted bastard, but I dont need calls for preseverance or a morale-boosting rara-speech from my leaders. I dont need nice words, the only thing I'd care about are solutions, a good plan. Something that doesnt devastate either our public health or our social, cultural and economic life. But apparently no Western leader can really offer that.



Lol what did you just call America a first world country?
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Quote (youngs1n @ Dec 10 2020 09:06pm)
Lol what did you just call America a first world country?


Yes.

Bow down, third world sodomite.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 10 2020 11:35pm)
Yes.

Bow down, third world sodomite.



Leave it up to this woman to back up a false statement lol.

More slow claps for endlesssky!
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 10 2020 09:59am)
SnowflakeMage strikes again.

Yes people die. Thats what happens in the real world.
Every waking second does not have to be spent on saying what a terrible thing COVID is.
Its not the only thing that matters.


Its hard to ignore the disaster surrounding us. I remember when the cuckcallers were posting memes of the little dog in the burning room saying things are ok. That is them on the issue of Covid-19.

And it is a disaster. Walking into hospitals you see stretchers and makeshift patient stations lining hallways. It is like what fresh new vista in hell will i witness today. Our morgue is full and funeral people are going to the floors to get the folks when they pass. I'm driving home from work to go sit at home and not go a anywhere frivolous and all the restaurants are full of people. Its exhausting. Half the staff is out, people are being pressured to come back as long as they have "declining symptoms", so all efforts to keep it out have failed.

First it was the heroin epidemic and now its this. Get carry out fatties god damn you're literally killing us. Or there will be nowhere to go for help when you need it.
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Dec 11 2020 06:55am
Meanwhile, in America:



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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 10 2020 05:34pm)
The outrage and grief over 9/11 was always based more on the shock of America being attacked at home rather than on the actual death toll.
The talk about "3000 Americans died!!!!!" was always empty rhetoric intended to stir people up and feed public appetite for going to war.


One thing to keep in mind is that the baseline mortality in the U.S. is around 9000 deaths per day, averaged across the year. Since mortality is highest during winter and during summer heatwaves, the baseline for December should even be a bit higher. 3000 deaths from covid on top of that on a single day is very big excess mortality, but it's not thaaat much out of line of what other first world countries were (or still are) experiencing.


Regarding Trump: would he even be able to give a constructive address or find consoling words if he tried? I doubt it. And that's nothing new. His inability to lead or make any positive impact on this crisis is the main reason he lost an eminently winnable race and will go down in history as a SAD LOSER instead of a glorious winner. The big issue is that the situation is fucked up anyway, rather than the leadership vacuum until January 20. Imho, even if Biden could take over today, he couldnt change the trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S. all that much. It's too late for that, it's gonna be a rough winter for everyone. Always was. But then again, it's rough for everyone in the northern hemisphere right now. Europe is quite the disaster too, and even countries like Japan, South Korea or Canada are struggling right now.

Dunno, maybe I'm a cold-hearted bastard, but I dont need calls for preseverance or a morale-boosting rara-speech from my leaders. I dont need nice words, the only thing I'd care about are solutions, a good plan. Something that doesnt devastate either our public health or our social, cultural and economic life. But apparently no Western leader can really offer that.


What would that look like, in your estimation?

I don't know what the answer is myself and I wonder how it could have been different had Trump used aggressive mitigation early on and tried to get the country onboard with those efforts.

I'm wondering if they need to go to a rationing system to try and control the flow of people in public spaces. For example, people with last names A-F go at one time of day or on such and such day of the week. Combine this kind of thing with rental forgiveness and some sort of economic assistance towards essentials maybe?

I really don't know and trying to imagine anything close to such extreme measures in the United States makes the whole thing seem utterly absurd. I believe American's unwillingness to sacrifice will cost them and their leadership making a mockery of the pandemic has only strengthened their opposition.



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