Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 10:02pm)

Pretty sure I compared him to Hoover, as those are the logical two comparisons for a federal law enforcement head who is abusing their office to persecute political opponents
Why, do you contend Merrick Garland dresses in women's clothing as he's raping little girls?

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 09:55pm)

Well lets see 1) trump took them with him when departing office, which is enough to argue that he implicitly declassified them and 2) there is no legal standard to deny that as former president he's entitled to the classification of materials from his tenure as president 3) none of that should matter

I don't think you are appreciating the overarching point: There is no precedent. There is no law or statute or established doctrine to cover any of this. Its being made up as we go along, and baseless arguments are all the DoJ has, same as Trump. There's no grounding. Because if we were a functional civil society, issues like this would never need to be resolved. When disputes exist, they can be resolved amicably by good faith cooperation, not by sending in the FBI on a raid of a former president's home, not by hashing it out in a courtroom and leaving it up to judges to fill in all the blanks of the constitution with their own bias.



and let me guess, anyone making Hitler comparisons is doing it because they just watched Jojo Rabbit

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 12 2022 12:05am)

lawl at this argument.. so if Nixon or Obama or whoever took the location of all military bases "home with them" and sold them to our enemies because "he wanted to, and taking them made them unclassified?"
LMFAO

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 10:16pm)

Does it alarm you the idea that not every theoretical scenario has a legal recourse, because we don't write laws or constitutional amendments to deal with every unrealistic possibility?
While president, Trump had the implicit constitutional power to classify or declassify documents at will. He could have taken the location of all our military bases and sold them to our enemies back in 2019. He could have ordered a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. He could have come up with a legal excuse to betray our nation and load hundreds of millions of dollars on pallets and have a secret plane fly it to a hostile nation. Oops that was Obama.

In a civil society, we don't test such the limits of uncharted law by weaponizing law enforcement using novel theories to persecute rivals. We simply elect our president. That is the recourse, the safety valve of a democracy.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 12 2022 12:19am)

He actually lost the election. He cannot declassify documents anymore.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 10:21pm)

hurr durr engrish harddd

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 12 2022 12:16am)

While president, Trump had the implicit constitutional power to classify or declassify documents at will.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 12 2022 12:19am)

He actually lost the election. He cannot declassify documents anymore.

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this might be interesting fact
Sec. 6.2. General Provisions.

(b) The Attorney General, upon request by the head of an agency or the Director of the Information Security Oversight Office, shall render an interpretation of this order with respect to any question arising in the course of its administration.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 10:27pm)

:bonk:

Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 12 2022 12:28am)

god damn.. those to statements dont contradict each other..

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 12 2022 12:16am)

While president, Trump had the implicit constitutional power to classify or declassify documents at will. He could have taken the location of all our military bases and sold them to our enemies back in 2019.

Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 11 2022 10:29pm)

well you're giving fender a run for his money