Quote (Skinned @ Feb 1 2020 08:54pm)

Should we investigate Trump for hiring his children into national advisors when they shouldn't have security clearances?

Quote (GLYC123 @ Feb 1 2020 08:07pm)

How do you know he had knowledge of it back then?

"Jan. 25-26, 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine Prosecutor General Lutsenko meet for first time, New York.

Giuliani and Lutsenko meet in New York over the space of two to three days. They discuss “the Ukrainian political situation and the fight against corruption,” Bloomberg News reports, paraphrasing Lutsenko. “Giuliani asked him about investigations into the owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevskiy, as well as whether the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, was `not loyal to President Trump,’” the article says.

The two met “multiple times” during those days in New York, and Lutsenko told associates that, during their first meeting in January, Giuliani excitedly called Trump to brief the President on what he had found, the New York Times reported. Giuliani “acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions,” the Times wrote."

Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 1 2020 09:19pm)

No, because his hiring choices are his own and if he is an ineffective executive it should be settled by his employers.

Biden has used his political influence to enrich direct family members, and he has gotten away with it as a result of complicit government officials and a compliant media.

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The Department of Justice revealed in a court filing late Friday that it has two dozen emails related to President Donald Trump's involvement in the withholding of millions in security assistance to Ukraine -- a disclosure that came just hours after the Senate voted against subpoenaing additional documents and witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial, paving the way for his acquittal.

The filing, released near midnight Friday, marks the first official acknowledgment from the Trump administration that emails about the President's thinking related to the aid exist, and that he was directly involved in asking about and deciding on the aid as early as June. The administration is still blocking those emails from the public and has successfully kept them from Congress.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 1 2020 08:29pm)

It actually seems like someone hired his son for networking. Chelsea Clinton has similar cushy jobs. Trump's kids are pretty worthless and they're doing senior government roles and they will be on boards etc when his term is all over. Where are Bush's kids?

Why are you playing dumb for these dudes Bogie?

Here comes the richest part of the entire process: now that the president can't be held accountable a bunch of evidence will come out completely detailing his crime and all the Senators and Representatives who helped him cover up the crime will act upset about it. They all did this with the Iraq War, bitching for about 10 years about a war they authorized...They did this when they authorized the GLBA 1999 and created too big to fail banks too.

Quote (Skinned @ Feb 1 2020 08:29pm)

It actually seems like someone hired his son for networking. Chelsea Clinton has similar cushy jobs. Trump's kids are pretty worthless and they're doing senior government roles and they will be on boards etc when his term is all over. Where are Bush's kids?

Why are you playing dumb for these dudes Bogie?

Here comes the richest part of the entire process: now that the president can't be held accountable a bunch of evidence will come out completely detailing his crime and all the Senators and Representatives who helped him cover up the crime will act upset about it. They all did this with the Iraq War, bitching for about 10 years about a war they authorized...They did this when they authorized the GLBA 1999 and created too big to fail banks too.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Feb 1 2020 09:17pm)

Hired his son for a foreign company with previous ties to corruption, totally not a conflict of interests or anything. Having him hired for "networking" doesn't change anything, we don't even know what that means.

Even if Biden checks out with having no corruption. That was a horrible decision.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 1 2020 08:39pm)

When approval rates are at record lows but reelection rates are at record highs you've done your job - CGP Grey

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 1 2020 09:18pm)

:rofl:

Youre holding Biden to a higher standard than the actual president.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Feb 1 2020 09:27pm)

Good luck with your approval rating predictions.

I recommend placing your bets against Trump then since betting sites have him as the winner. You could make a lot of money!

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 1 2020 10:00pm)

I've noticed that when you realize you're going to lose if you continue the conversation you tend to drop that thread.

Quote (GLYC123 @ Feb 1 2020 11:04pm)

Have fun with that thought. I'm not going to keep repeating the same arguments that have been said numerous times.
-You're the same guy saying, "it's a crime to have a foreign power investigate a political opponent", yet doesn't realize that there is a keen difference between that and having a foreign power investigate their own company.
-You also think you just know that the presidents only motive was political gain (yet 1. You can't prove that. 2. You can't combat the fact that there are other legitimate benefits to exposing corruption).
-You also claim he was withholding foreign aid in exchange for an investigation (which we have no evidence of him doing that) plus Ukraine also didn't even know aid was being withheld. That doesn't even make sense.
-You thought Sondlands presumption was substantial evidence worthy of proceeding with impeachment.