Did your mom finally pick you up from your fall? I was worried that your skull may of caved in.

https://twitter.com/davekarpf/status/1599165345461596160

I think this Twitter thread gets at the heart of the matter. Right-wingers are big mad over the media essentially ignoring the Hunter Biden laptop story, not because of free speech matters or journalistic concerns, but because it could've cost Biden the election. The MSM hyperfocused on the Weiner laptop/Hillary email story towards the end of the 2016 campaign, and the right were hoping they could pull it off again.

In short:



This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 5 2022 02:43pm

Of course they are mad when the mainstream media brushes aside all partisan neutrality and spikes a legitimate scandal under the false pretense that it was "manufactured propaganda", just because the story had the potential to damage their preferred candidate. They did not take the ""risk"" of laying out the facts to the American electorate and let the voters decide how relevant or irrelevant they consider this scandal. Even worse than that: they did not just spike the story, they actively colluded to suppress and deplatform it. The mainstream media's handling of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which was driven by naked partisanship, has compromised the fairness of a presidential election.

A biased media tilting the electoral playing field is the exact reason why Democrats, the EU and the international MSM consider Victor Orban's Hungary to no longer be a full democracy. The biggest bummer about it all is that after tipping the scales in the 2020 election, they then turn around and have the audacity of accusing right-wing voters of being a "threat to democracy" while their own actions (a biased media tilting the electoral playing field) are enough to consider other countries a "flawed democracy".


To end this rant on a more sober note: Trump would have needed a uniform national swing of 0.63% in his favor to barely win reelection via a contingent election in the House. Given how hyperpolarized politics has become, and how set in stone everyone's opinion of Trump was, I don't believe that Hunter's laptop would have produced such a swing.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 5 2022 03:33pm

So let me get this straight.
2016
Democrats
FB bots dis information cost HRC the election?
Republicans
Nothingburger "fuck your feelings"
2020
Republicans
Twitter lack of information cost Trump the election
Democrats
Nothingburger "fuck your feelings"
??

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Dec 5 2022 03:40pm

it doesn't matter what releases and what is proven, since the government has all of the power and will protect their own.

Nothing will ever change until we get a George Washington 2.0 to lead the people, but that will likely never happen in this day and age, especially since the government will just take you out ASAP if you start getting a considerable following.

This post was edited by Dmitriy on Dec 5 2022 03:48pm

Good to see you back cam

Are you still libertarian?

The story was that Rudy Giuliani, president Trump's lawyer and guy who went to Ukraine to find dirt on the Bidens, ended up with "Hunter Biden's laptop"(the story about some rando shop owner having it and just happening to get it to Rudy sounded absolutely ridiculous), and the obviously biased New York Post reported on it. The data wasn't given to the MSM. This happened after Russian interference in 2016, which involved hacked materials, and Trump at the time cheered that on. It happened after the Ukraine scandal, where Trump pressured Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens(and used Rudy to help). Given the context and the facts at the time, it was a completely reasonable and correct response for the media to ignore it. Twitter squelched the story for a couple days, which was a stupid move because it just made the story more potent and more widespread. Right-wingers who try to pretend the media ignoring a clearly suspect story or a social media company squelching it for a couple days is election interference are idiots.

I'm not going to respond to the comments about Orban and bothsideism surrounding the right-wing embracing conspiracist authoritarianism and election denalism. That's a different rabbit hole.

To circle back to my original post, I think it's obvious you(and other Trump supporters) are mostly just mad that this nonsense didn't get picked up in the MSM, and the anger is because Trump lost and Biden won.

It's also unclear to me how a presidential candidate's offspring being a fuckup is supposed to be big news, lol. The laptop stuff came out over 2 years ago and the most damning allegation as it relates to Joe Biden is his son may have hinted at giving him(by using a code word) money from a deal.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 6 2022 06:10am

The two elements of it are both relevant. Besides the salacious aspects and joe covering for his crackhead son and the hypocrisy of threatening his daughter-in-law for speaking out while joe embraced the metoo movement, the real larger stories are those of censorship and the ukrainian corruption. It showed big tech, the mainstream media, federal bureaucrats and joe biden's campaign all colluding to suppress the truth when it made biden look bad, and censored it up and down, micro and macro, targeting celebrities and platforms and newspapers and individuals chatting privately. And the story itself became a whole heck of a lot more relevant than just a "biden profiteering from foreign corruption" when that foreign corruption sat at the heart of a conflict that has exploded and now puts us closer to the brink of nuclear war than any time since the cuban missile crisis.

What did the Weiner laptop show, by comparison?



Enough data was available publicly for me to confirm it was legitimate, because they had already published enough photos and texts to make it obviously beyond the scope of any fakery possible with contemporary tech
The MSM didn't just go out of their way to close their eyes and ignore the documents in front of their face, they conspired to suppress it and lie about it. As did twitter and the FBI. And we knew at the time that they knew it was real and were lying about it, and now we have proof they knew it was real and were lying about it



The most damning part is that it shows Joe Biden orchestrated the overthrow of a sovereign government in a coup and then personally profiteered off the corrupt oligarchy paying him kickbacks, and that boiled over into a conflict that has killed tens of thousands and displaced millions and threatens global stability.

This is just you pretending to summarize what's been found in Hunter Biden's laptop. What is any skeptical person supposed to do with your post? Go google "big tech, MSM, fed bureaucrats, and Biden campaign colluding to suppress the truth"? With Russiagate there were some damning quotes, like Don Jr. accepting a meeting with Russians as part of the Russian government's support for his father's campaign. That's what the evidence shows, there's no interpretation needed. But for the Hunter Biden laptop scandal, we're faced with vague quotes about the big guy getting a cut and Trump cultist interpretation. It falls flat, much like all your propaganda this last 6 years.



I'm not sure what this means. Are you saying that because the pictures of Hunter Biden released were determined as real, the MSM should've run a story? What would the story be? "Here are pictures of Hunter Biden doing suspect things... we cannot confirm where the pics came from. Giuliani claims they came from X, we cannot verify that. Etc". Sounds like a mess.

The ratfuckers on the right could've pulled this off if they had been a little more open to working with fact-based media outlets. I'm sure someone would've gone with it. But they were too insular, and the October surprise fell flat.



Trump's going to need you when he overthrows the Constitution and needs a propaganda minister.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 6 2022 06:57am

A nothingburger, harkening back to that Wendy's commercial with 'where's the beef?'. That's what Russiagate was, and you still haven't let it go. That's how we wound up with that hilarious moment when the forces of the liberal MSM spent months trying to piece together something damning on Don Jr and make these allegations of some shadowy campaign, and as soon as he was confronted, he just.... 'tweeted it out'. He was open and forthright about how some lobbyists tried to get a foot in the door by claiming to have evidence of Hillary cheating with overseas financing, and then it turned out all they really wanted was to propose lifting the Magnitsky Act in exchange for Russia ending its embargo on adoptions, and the Trump team shooed them away. It was a simple and understandable telling of the event, and every piece of evidence both up to that point and since then has supported it. That's how someone with nothing to hide deals with the NYT and WaPo trying to run grand hit pieces on them, they just blurt out the truth and let it sort itself out.

What did Biden's campaign and the democrats and FBI and big tech do when allegations came out against him? Banned the new york post from their platforms, hid links to the story even in private messages, labeled it both Russia disinformation and hacked materials without a single shred of evidence to support those claims, and then went overdrive on telling people why its fake and false and they're not allowed to see it. Heck, when Tara Reade spoke out about being molested by Biden, they used the DoJ to spy on her, without even a pretense of a reason. Their campaign and Joe Biden all lied about the laptop, and we had that moment where NPR interviewed Donald Trump and lied to his face telling him the laptop was hacked russian disinformation and should be rejected, 'and how they don't want to draw attention to a non-story'.

Getting over partisan affiliations and acknowledging wrongdoing or lack thereof shouldn't be like pulling teeth. I don't understand it. If I talk to a hardcore Trump supporter, maybe they'd be as cantankerous about me pointing out he's probably personally paid for numerous abortions, or that he actually lost the election. But I try to avoid talking to those folks. So maybe we can lay to rest the flip side, the fixation on reflexively denying Joe Biden's scandals and refusing to accept the debunking of Trump's non-scandals.



Journalists are supposed to bring the truth to light and let the public know it. Not try to censor it and cover it up. If anyone in the MSM was still a journalist, what they'd do is investigate the documents, confirm what they could, search for more details, and relate what they knew and what they didn't know. They were supposed to go to the source and ask the Bidens to confirm or deny the legitimacy of the leaked messages and force them to either lie to the public or admit its real, knowing that a lie would be exposed in time. They had the story of where the laptop came from, they had the easily confirmable pictures, they had the messages. It was enough for me to determine its legitimacy in minutes, what could organizations capable of doing actual legwork and research accomplish?




The only ratfuckers throughout this story have consistently been on the left, at every single turn. Engaged in wanton corruption, destabilizing global peace, covering up scandals, censoring the internet, lying about it, abusing their authority, weaponizing the FBI and DOJ.
What did the right wing folks do wrong?



How many years down the line will it take before folks on PARD admit Goomshill was right about Ukraine, just like I was about Syria, and Yemen, and Iraq, and Afghanistan? Well, clan_iraq for some of those, it was a while ago