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Sep 21 2022 10:53pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 21 2022 09:38pm)
The first video is them talking about the profitability of vaginoplasties on children. Perhaps I'm mistaken on whether they've actually performed bottom surgeries, but they certainly gave a pitch for performing them and advertise their top surgeries. I'm not sure why the distinction matters much in this context.
Just googling on my own outside of these sources, I found;

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/a-look-at-transgender-health-care-in-nashville/article_c6c1ed99-a87f-56ce-9f90-5d22333e09ef.html



Julian Winocour is the same pediatric surgeon giving the presentation on performing double masectomies on children, and they are a pediatric clinic, sooo;
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1572313708637962244


I think it's important, as I imagine you do as well, to have a clear understanding of not only the factual information presented in an exchange, but also the opinion/perspective that someone is making with that factual information in mind. Just getting a clear understanding of what actually goes on, in terms of details, at somewhere like Vanderbilt. This way I can better read and respond to your posts.

The sense I got from the first video was less about any surgeries performed on minors specifically, and I recall it just talking about the profitability of vaginoplasties (which, on its own, is its own issue imo). Thus far, it seems like the most concrete data suggests that they may have done hormone blockers and HRT and youth as young as 14 (under 'mature minor' laws') and then typically at 16. Then, top surgery could be performed under specific circumstances for those as young as 16, but typically at 18. Then, it seems like bottom surgery was for folks 18+. Is this your understanding as well, or do you have other information?
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Sep 21 2022 10:55pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 21 2022 09:38pm)
The first video is them talking about the profitability of vaginoplasties on children. Perhaps I'm mistaken on whether they've actually performed bottom surgeries, but they certainly gave a pitch for performing them and advertise their top surgeries. I'm not sure why the distinction matters much in this context.
Just googling on my own outside of these sources, I found;

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/a-look-at-transgender-health-care-in-nashville/article_c6c1ed99-a87f-56ce-9f90-5d22333e09ef.html



Julian Winocour is the same pediatric surgeon giving the presentation on performing double masectomies on children, and they are a pediatric clinic, sooo;
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1572313708637962244



the actuality of your implications or claim is far less important then bending backwards to prove it to them.
They feed on that control and it's not reciprocal.


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Sep 22 2022 12:21am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 21 2022 11:53pm)
I think it's important, as I imagine you do as well, to have a clear understanding of not only the factual information presented in an exchange, but also the opinion/perspective that someone is making with that factual information in mind. Just getting a clear understanding of what actually goes on, in terms of details, at somewhere like Vanderbilt. This way I can better read and respond to your posts.

The sense I got from the first video was less about any surgeries performed on minors specifically, and I recall it just talking about the profitability of vaginoplasties (which, on its own, is its own issue imo). Thus far, it seems like the most concrete data suggests that they may have done hormone blockers and HRT and youth as young as 14 (under 'mature minor' laws') and then typically at 16. Then, top surgery could be performed under specific circumstances for those as young as 16, but typically at 18. Then, it seems like bottom surgery was for folks 18+. Is this your understanding as well, or do you have other information?



You answered your own question there. Top surgery at 16
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Sep 22 2022 05:34am
Quote (thundercock @ Sep 21 2022 10:16pm)
Why do you think about children's dicks so much? There's probably only a dozen cases per year because it's such a rare thing. Whether or not these children are mutilated, commit suicide, etc. isn't relevant in the grand scheme of things. If we put the same amount of effort into educating Africa, they would surpass the Jews in Nobel Prizes within a year.


:rofl: A foolish fool thing to say.
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Sep 22 2022 07:44am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 21 2022 03:37pm)
If the data shows that hormone therapy then waiting until they are adults gets better results, then there's exceedingly few cases where a competent physician would recommend this course of action regardless.

If it's really a moot point then there's very little reason to talk about it. It's going to come out that way as standard practice as evidence-based decision making comes into play.

We should let those who are most equipped to interpret the evidence (physicians) consult with those in the individual circumstance (parents and children) to facilitate them making the best decision.


Quote (SBD @ Sep 21 2022 03:52pm)
Can't physicians just treat it like they treated the marijuana market. This is capitalism after all, if there's money to be made someone out there is just going to be the go to person to just say yes its the best decision no matter what indicating factors there are because it give you the best payday.

People did that with medical marijuana for a decade or more. Everyone just knew the yes doctors that would give you a card no matter what, condition or not. If you have parents not seeing the best for their child because they have an agenda they will just go to the yes doctor.

A simple lucrative practice.


not only that but this entire field is an offshoot of plastic surgery. while a large part of the field is im sure very reputable i can't think of a branch of medicine i trust less to make choices for the individual rather than for profit.

i generally have a very high level of trust in doctors in almost all fields, this one specifically really seems to have more red flags than most.
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Sep 22 2022 08:49am
Quote (YeeHaw @ 21 Sep 2022 19:57)
Few things here.

I love the comparison to circumcision! We are this much closer to the left recognizing this is a religious discussion! I am going to go on a limb and say y’all didn’t realize you are going in that direction, but keep going and we will find some common ground! I would like to clarify by saying the gender ideology is the religion, before somebody inevitably says I am some religious wacko. !


Everything is a religious conversation when you are dealing with wackos.
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Sep 22 2022 09:06am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2022 08:44am)
not only that but this entire field is an offshoot of plastic surgery. while a large part of the field is im sure very reputable i can't think of a branch of medicine i trust less to make choices for the individual rather than for profit.

i generally have a very high level of trust in doctors in almost all fields, this one specifically really seems to have more red flags than most.


Plastic surgery is a much broader field than cosmetic. Cleft pallet and reconstructive surgeries also fall under that umbrella.
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Sep 22 2022 09:16am
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Plastic surgery is a much broader field than cosmetic. Cleft pallet and reconstructive surgeries also fall under that umbrella.


That's the large part of the field that's very reputable. Even on an MD by MD basis im sure the same people who put in E-cup implants onto 120 lb models are the same Drs who repair cleft pallets, many of them im sure even volunteering such services.
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Sep 24 2022 07:08pm
I was going to start a topic for this, but bleh, no.



https://timcast.com/news/new-jersey-schools-required-to-teach-kids-about-anal-sex-masturbation/


This doesn’t happen, it is fringe, it is a Republican talking point that isn’t actually a thing, why do you care? Fifth graders having gender identity in the curriculum state wide. Eighth graders having gender expression as a part of their curriculum.

This is religious curriculum being forced into the federally funded grade schools.
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Sep 25 2022 03:26pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Sep 22 2022 07:49am)
Everything is a religious conversation when you are dealing with wackos.



not every1 lives in texas, stop stereotyping.
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