That is awesome lol.



cant fault that logic, and the red is honestly the best thing for them (because it will happen).

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 15 2022 07:27am

Well, it does come with downside risk for Tories: if conditions improve significantly over the 4-5 years of Labour rule, this could make Labour popular and put them in power for several election cycles in a row, similar to what happened from 1997 through 2010. It could also move public opinion on economic policy toward the Labour position in a lasting fashion.

I still think it's worth taking this risk though. Tories imho can only get more unpopular if they sit out the current term until the bitter end and would risk the complete disintegration of their party.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2022 07:53am

conditions will not improve significantly over the next 4-5 years though. politicians on both sides already knew that brexit would cripple them for 10 years. its well documented.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 15 2022 07:59am

Comes with the added caveat of the labour party members voting to change the voting system to proportional representation.

Not a binding vote for a policy, but if they did swag a huge majority and implemented it, it's hard to see how the tories could ever get back in power.

"New British finance minister Jeremy Hunt (he replaced Kwasi Kwarteng) has today reversed nearly all of Prime Minister Liz Truss's mini-budget that had sparked market turmoil."

that and this: "The Truss programme for government is dead. This is a hand-to-mouth government, living hour by hour."

leads me to the assumption that Truss is effectively no longer in control. I would envisage that this point that she will be gone by Christmas.

Jeremy Hunt originally wanted to the stay in the EU (i mean, better together) but conveniently changed this view when events dictated it so. He is another one of those "foreigners out" i.e. he wants the health service to be british staffed (in totality). He probably has a cabal of like minded politicians around him that decide on what to do, therefore he is unlikely to ever be sacked. Liz Truss now also probably has to ask to play with her toys whenever she wants to. Once someone is strong enough, they will get rid of her.

This post was edited by ferdia on Oct 17 2022 05:48am

Labour used to get majority governments with most of the seats in Scotland, even Wales. Now labour elect like 3-5 Scottish MP's.
When Tony Blair won 3 straight majorities the SNP was only beginning to dominate elections, devolution was extended during that period also.

Labour basically stopped representing working class people.

I would tend to agree labour is looking alot better than conservatives. Then again we've had 2 unelected Tory prime ministers in a decade, with a poorly planned economy and eroding living conditions.

Truss came in behaving as if she had a mandate from an election, which she didn't. Big mistake. It was Bojo that was PM during the last election. Like it was David Cameron before Theresa May became PM.
Then Tory MP's have the nerve to suggest Sturgeon doesn't have a mandate for an independence referendum. The SNP literally run their campaign on the desire to hold a referendum, and they win an overwhelming majority every time for the last decade a least.

With regards to the leadership elections This kind of behind closed doors democracy is embarrassing in the information age. A new constitution is needed. Conversely for England, the only way I see that happening is if Scotland, Wales or NI leave the UK or maybe King Charles outs himself as a vampire that identifies as a cactus, thus causing a constitutional crisis.

Can labour return a majority election victory?
If the answer is no, which I believe it is.

If the SNP is the third largest party in westminster, would labour consider a coalition government with the SNP?
The SNP would never consider that, surely it hamstrings their goal of independence to literally be a part of the UK government.

Sounds like a blackmirror episode honestly, but this is the reality of the "United Kingdom"

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 17 2022 11:13am

i vaguely remember reading that the UK does not have a written constitution. i know that sounds daft.

That is correct and precisely the problem. Surrender aside the French did it right by beheading their tyrants.

Well, proportional representation would make it next to impossible for either the Tories or Labour to ever get an outright majority again. However, I don't see why Tories should be unable to win a plurality and form a coalition government. More generally speaking, I don't think proportional representation would favor either one of Tories and Labour over the other all that much, at least not in the long run.

It would, of course, massively diminish the power of the Tories AND Labour (and also the SNP) in favour of LibDems, Greens and Ukip.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 17 2022 03:47pm

Who would tories form a coalition with?

At this point does the UK government have any really power? It seems that markets can decide who is the chancellor
But UK voters can't decide who is prime minister

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 17 2022 04:14pm