Quote (excellence @ Sep 2 2022 01:56pm)
ah yes, the non make America great RINOs. those ‘nation builders’ aka warmongers who believe in democracy by force, illegal wiretapping, shipping our young Americans off die to so they can profit from no-bid contracts they give to armaments companies, no-knock warrants, the so-called “patriot” act, ‘separate but equal’ institutions, etc.
as high chancellor adam joe biden sutler would say, c’mon man
Some of them certainly support those things but Republicans are fairly diverse. There are populist Republicans who are against all of those things but still believe in the peaceful transition of power. The delineation was adequately described by Biden I think.
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 01:52pm)
doing a lot of work to try to split hairs between "MAGA republican" and "Trump supporter"
the speechwriters who decided to thump that phrase did so deliberately. As I said, they didn't go with "insurrectionists" or "capitol rioters" or "election deniers"
They went with the phrase "MAGA Republicans", which besides being a conspicuously inelegant turn of phrase, means "Trump supporters", full stop
Here, I'll set my own dividing line and see if you can tell the difference between two different people making different types of speeches. Compare and contrast these quotes:
vs
I think my distinction is more refined
A Trump supporter is someone who likes Trump's policies, may even like his personality, and voted for him. You can be all of those things and acknowledge that he lost. You can be all of these things and support the democratic process. Hell, I have friends and family who fit that category. MAGA Republicans, on the other hand, are what Biden described. Having a single label that encompasses all of those adjectives is convenient and accurate.
The 2nd quote sounds like someone who would say the following:
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.