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Jul 18 2022 03:52pm
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Anybody want to take another go? I still haven’t gotten anybody to defend this bill.

So far I got the basic, lazy, “government should stay out of it” and “abortion on demand up until birth because anti abortionists cannot express how their ideas would pan out”


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Jul 18 2022 03:54pm
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The defense is this is the current tactic used by one side so it makes it the only tactic you can use against it. Party vs party instead of representing their constituents.

You can't have a reasonable discussion when one side is okay with rape/incest babies forced on underage kids.


And are you okay with this bill?
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Jul 18 2022 04:16pm
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And are you okay with this bill?


I'm not okay with any government imposing such a gigantic chasm of an issue into any law. Until there is a definitive reason on either side it should remain a personal liberty with doctor oversight.

Trust doctors on this issue far more than some jackass politician.
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Jul 18 2022 04:40pm
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755



This is the women’s health protection act which recently passed the house and will soon be blocked by the senate. This is what democrat voters are voting for. From “safe, legal, and rare,” to “ after fetal viability when a provider determines the pregnancy risks the patient's life or health.”

In plain English for those who will inevitably word salad this into something it is not, this means a woman simply has to find one single doctor who will sign off on the abortion for mental health reasons, and abortion on demand.

Does anybody else remember when post viability was universally agreed as being a human? Please, somebody explain to me how this bill is in any way defensible.


Post viability (i am not sure exactly what this means but I assume you are referring to life beginning at conception) was never universally agreed as being a human. Thats the whole cause of the divide.

Its not like people just woke up one day and were like 'YA LETS GET ABORTIONS BABIES ARENT ALIVE UNTIL AFTER BIRTH'

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Jul 18 2022 04:44pm
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Post viability (i am not sure exactly what this means but I assume you are referring to life beginning at conception) was never universally agreed as being a human. Thats the whole cause of the divide.

Its not like people just woke up one day and were like 'YA LETS GET ABORTIONS BABIES ARENT ALIVE UNTIL AFTER BIRTH'



Interesting take. Viability refers to when a child can survive outside the mother’s body.

Ironically, a small portion of the pro abortion crowd basically woke up one day and said, “babies aren’t alive until after birth”. Obviously not on a literal sense but we went very quickly from “safe legal and rare” to ramming down legislation allowing abortion on demand up until the minute of birth.

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Interesting take. Viability refers to when a child can survive outside the mother’s body.

Ironically, a small portion of the pro abortion crowd basically woke up one day and said, “babies aren’t alive until after birth”. Obviously not on a literal sense but we went very quickly from “safe legal and rare” to ramming down legislation allowing abortion on demand up until the minute of birth.


are you a woman by chance?

If not why are you concerned over what a woman does with her body?

and if you are a woman why do you care what everybody else does with their body


and people did not just wake up one day and say that. There is this thing called scientific advancement and the science says its fine before the 2nd trimester which means its cool for the first 3 months. Its not crazy pro choice people. Its like Doctors n shit, you know, those people?

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Jul 18 2022 08:01pm
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are you a woman by chance?

If not why are you concerned over what a woman does with her body?

and if you are a woman why do you care what everybody else does with their body


and people did not just wake up one day and say that. There is this thing called scientific advancement and the science says its fine before the 2nd trimester which means its cool for the first 3 months. Its not crazy pro choice people. Its like Doctors n shit, you know, those people?



Will you read and process the bill posted in OP and get back to me?

Don’t want to sound mean but you have shown you have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to this debate. You repeat left wing talking points verbatim yet don’t know the meaning of viability when it comes to babies.

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Jul 18 2022 08:20pm
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Will you read and process the bill posted in OP and get back to me?

Don’t want to sound mean but you have shown you have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to this debate. You repeat left wing talking points verbatim yet don’t know the meaning of viability when it comes to babies.


Again, you're not offering anything for anyone to discuss. You never responded to whether or not the government should be involved in someone's personal life and health decisions. It's between a woman and her doctor, not some government bureaucrat unless you're advocating for government death panels. If a person's actions don't impinge on another citizen, the government shouldn't be involved. By the same token, being a heroin addict shouldn't be illegal, but smashing into a delivery truck while high on smack should be.
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Jul 18 2022 08:26pm
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Will you read and process the bill posted in OP and get back to me?

Don’t want to sound mean but you have shown you have zero clue what you are talking about when it comes to this debate. You repeat left wing talking points verbatim yet don’t know the meaning of viability when it comes to babies.


are you a woman?

can you define what a woman is?

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Again, you're not offering anything for anyone to discuss. You never responded to whether or not the government should be involved in someone's personal life and health decisions. It's between a woman and her doctor, not some government bureaucrat unless you're advocating for government death panels. If a person's actions don't impinge on another citizen, the government shouldn't be involved. By the same token, being a heroin addict shouldn't be illegal, but smashing into a delivery truck while high on smack should be.



I was extremely clear about how I feel the entire time. Read the OP that is the discussion I wanted to have. If the government has nothing to do with it, infanticide becomes legal. It has been reported to have happened in DC already. We are already at the point where the question, “do you support infanticide” is being asked during congressional hearings and democrats refusing to answer the question.


Anyways, the fact remains there is a bill that house democrats pushed on with overwhelming support, which allows abortions until birth on a federal level. Why don’t pro abortion supporters want to discuss this?



It is ironic how those who defend pro abortion laws literally cannot defend pro abortion laws. Prove me wrong

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