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May 25 2022 11:44am
Quote (sirthom @ May 25 2022 12:29pm)
BTW, can anyone tell me what the shooter was stopped with?
Was it a water balloon?


Was it the police who initially engaged the shooter, then let him enter the school anyway while they waited for backup?
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May 25 2022 11:48am
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Was it the police who initially engaged the shooter, then let him enter the school anyway while they waited for backup?


False statement, but nice try. Do some reading.
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May 25 2022 11:49am
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False statement, but nice try. Do some reading.


https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/texas-shooter-shot-whoevers-in-his-way-in-school-police/

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The twisted Texas school shooter who killed 19 students Tuesday exchanged gunfire with law enforcement before storming Robb Elementary School, firing at “whoever’s in his way” and barricading himself inside a classroom, officials said.

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Olivarez told KENS 5 that once a tactical team arrived, they shot Ramos.


Wanna try that again?

This post was edited by Surfpunk on May 25 2022 11:50am
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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/8919682/border-patrol-agent-killed-salvador-ramos/

Sure do, oh look the NY times! You probably didn't read the article though...

Sounds like Olivarez was just going based on what he thought happened. By the way the shootings all happened in one single classroom, so he didn't go into the building and just start shooting. Also interesting video on the website you posted, where exactly did the police engage him before he went in?

Why was a border patrol agent (not previously pursuing the shooter) able to go into the school and stop the shooter before the "pursuing" law enforcement did?

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None of that invalidates in any way what I said. Police initially engaged this murderer, yet were unable to prevent him from entering the school, and it took someone else to take the guy out, but not after he had murdered everyone in the room in which he had barricaded himself.

And for your edit: It's the NY Post, not the Times. Do some reading.

Extra edit: Throws a fit about the NY Times, which wasn't even the source I used, yet posts a link to a UK tabloid newspaper site. FOH.

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BTW, can anyone tell me what the shooter was stopped with?
Was it a water balloon?


You would think given the number of guns in Texas a good guy with a gun should have gotten to him before he murdered 19 kids.
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May 25 2022 11:53am
Quote (sirthom @ 25 May 2022 12:18)
Anywhere around Carbondale is an excellent choice.
Don't know if you have seen Cairo lately, but it's pretty rough now.

Also, are you familiar with the southern Il./Egypt connection?
Very interesting IMO.


Yeah I saw a lot of bad publicity around/about Cairo being a "ghost town" with rising crime rates but you can buy/build a nice piece of property down there for a fraction of what you'd pay up here.

Not sure if more residential neighborhoods have gone up in Carbondale I haven't been there in over 5 years but I'm at the point of selling my current property because I can get top dollar right now.

The Egypt/Cairo connection is so fascinating and interesting and to think that Egyptians may have made it up the Mississippi a 1000+ years before Leaf Ericson made it down the Mississippi is wild. Ironic how the Egyptians used the Mississippi the same way they used the Nile to produce lush crop fields. Has connections to Memphis too!


Quote (thesnipa @ 25 May 2022 12:20)
1. i was born there, i didnt grow up there, moved away before i was even in size 2 diapers and wasnt rich at all.

2. i never said the city was safe, in fact i made reference to the fact that a part of the city isnt safe (the south side)

3. if i was to implement something, as the non liberal that i am with a non liberal bias and likely a lot more guns and ammo than you have, i'd target illegal guns specifically before i did anything to legal gun ownership.

ive posted a lot in this thread about how difficult of an issue it is, then said to you almost no one is talking about banning guns entirely, yet you're still commenting at me in an entirely illogical way. my point was simple, not all gun control legislation invariably leads to gun ownership bans on a slippery slope. we have thousands of gun control laws in this country that haven't. in fact chicago has many of the most harsh gun control laws anywhere in the US other than perhaps NYC, and you can and do still legally carry a gun into town. and still dont see the contradiction you made. o well.


Any infringement on the right to bear arms in any way/shape/form is a violation of the Bill of Rights and it's a tragedy that as all these restrictions/laws were put in place and gun crime rates have only gone up only supporting the notion that they don't work. Are you one of those people who believes Freedom of Speech should be modified the same way the Right to Bear Arms has been? Because that's what happened. It enables all of our basic rights to be modified to fit an agenda that is contradictory to the fundamental laws that form the backbone of this country. Not trying to argue with you bud and maybe I went off topic or I took something out of context but that's the internet for ya :bonk:
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May 25 2022 11:55am
Quote (Sioux @ May 25 2022 12:52pm)
You would think given the number of guns in Texas a good guy with a gun should have gotten to him before he murdered 19 kids.


Now that you mention it...some very odd things about this:
1. There is a picture circulating around the Internet of the shooters truck in a ditch about half a mile away from the school. The axle has been broken on the rear left, there is a giant indentation from where a police vehicle rammed the truck from the side in an attempt to disable it.
2. From this point on the police being several feet away from the shooters truck as he got out of it… Allowed him to walk over half a mile away to a school and never alerted anybody within the school to lock or secure doors
3. They knew he had just murdered or attempted to… His Grandmother. So he was known to the authorities as being armed and dangerous with intent to kill…
4. In the video of him walking onto the school property and walking into an unlocked door on the side of the campus, there are no police pursuing him.
5. The first person to come in contact with the shooter was a border patrol agent… Not a police officer. That border patrol agent was shot with non-life-threatening injuries.
6. Normally after these kind of shootings happen, there is a flood of information that hits the Internet from the police, the FBI and local parents sharing their stories. Every single piece of information we are getting from authorities seems like they are hiding information about this incident. No cause of motive, no family history… It took a private investigator to pull up the charges he got when he threatened to kill people at his high school… The police are going out of their way to keep his history silent. Why? Why not admit it at the press conference?
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May 25 2022 11:59am
Quote (sirthom @ May 25 2022 10:55am)
Now that you mention it...some very odd things about this:
1. There is a picture circulating around the Internet of the shooters truck in a ditch about half a mile away from the school. The axle has been broken on the rear left, there is a giant indentation from where a police vehicle rammed the truck from the side in an attempt to disable it.
2. From this point on the police being several feet away from the shooters truck as he got out of it… Allowed him to walk over half a mile away to a school and never alerted anybody within the school to lock or secure doors
3. They knew he had just murdered or attempted to… His Grandmother. So he was known to the authorities as being armed and dangerous with intent to kill…
4. In the video of him walking onto the school property and walking into an unlocked door on the side of the campus, there are no police pursuing him.
5. The first person to come in contact with the shooter was a border patrol agent… Not a police officer. That border patrol agent was shot with non-life-threatening injuries.
6. Normally after these kind of shootings happen, there is a flood of information that hits the Internet from the police, the FBI and local parents sharing their stories. Every single piece of information we are getting from authorities seems like they are hiding information about this incident. No cause of motive, no family history… It took a private investigator to pull up the charges he got when he threatened to kill people at his high school… The police are going out of their way to keep his history silent. Why? Why not admit it at the press conference?


wouldnt be the first time the cop(s) just hung around while a shooter did his thing. got be kooked outa your head to think .gov gives a chit about you
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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ May 25 2022 12:53pm)
Any infringement on the right to bear arms in any way/shape/form is a violation of the Bill of Rights and it's a tragedy that as all these restrictions/laws were put in place and gun crime rates have only gone up only supporting the notion that they don't work. Are you one of those people who believes Freedom of Speech should be modified the same way the Right to Bear Arms has been? Because that's what happened. It enables all of our basic rights to be modified to fit an agenda that is contradictory to the fundamental laws that form the backbone of this country. Not trying to argue with you bud and maybe I went off topic or I took something out of context but that's the internet for ya :bonk:


the bill of rights was written at a time when shooting a kindergarden class would have taken either 45 minutes or a wagon full of loaded muskets.

i dont support anti free speech laws generally, cant even think of one i have supported in fact.
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