Quote (Goomshill @ May 3 2022 12:49am)

Its not about personal threats or takedowns, its about holding the country itself hostage. How many well-intentioned bureaucrats and politicians were confronted by BLM mobs and bowed to their demands, not because they were afraid of their own safety or own careers in particular, but because they believed appeasing the mob would save lives? That was the explicit basis of mayor frey ordering police to stand down instead of defending the third precinct in the floyd riots, as I continue this tortured metaphor. And nevermind that it actually cost far more lives in the long run by societal impacts. If someone with weak knees like Kavanaugh sees the country burning as a result of his decision, he could be convinced to contradict his own sincere convictions and knowledge of the law to uphold a precedent he doesn't agree with.

basically, convincing him to do this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOX8-c-_uVY

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 3 2022 12:48am)

Imho, this leak is aimed less at spurring action from the current Congress and more at the midterm voters/the future composition of Congress.

If things stay on the current trajectory, Dems are gonna get slaughtered in November. Shifting the political debate to an incredibly polarizing issue on which at least 50% of the public agrees with them and which galvanizes a crucial group of swing voters (educated women) is a much better proposition for Dems than a midterm election about inflation, or making a redux of "OrAnGe MaN bAd!!!" the central pitch of their campaign.



This pretty obvious political ramification was also noted by Jonah Goldberg:
https://i.imgur.com/o2GgeuT.jpg
https://twitter.com/JonahDispatch/status/1521294360205312002

Quote (thundercock @ May 3 2022 03:00am)

I really don't think they care. These people have trained their whole lives to NOT care and to interpret the law to the best of their abilities.

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If I'm Pelosi, I have a vote ASAP and have Schumer really put the pressure to overturn the filibuster in order to codify Roe & Casey.

Quote (thundercock @ 3 May 2022 10:00)

This doesn't make much sense. The decision was ALREADY made. We're going to get the official opinion in a few weeks which is several months before the election. Given how often Congress is in recess, I imagine that the leaker believes that time is of the essence.

If I'm Pelosi, I have a vote ASAP and have Schumer really put the pressure to overturn the filibuster in order to codify Roe & Casey.

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 3 2022 05:18am)

So which do they go after next?
Obergefell (gay marriage, 2015), Loving (interracial marriage, 1967), Griswold (contraception, 1965), Lawrence (gay sex, 2003)

Quote (Plaguefear @ May 3 2022 05:18am)

So which do they go after next?
Obergefell (gay marriage, 2015), Loving (interracial marriage, 1967), Griswold (contraception, 1965), Lawrence (gay sex, 2003)

Quote (bogie160 @ May 3 2022 09:02pm)

Roe v Wade is bad case law.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 3 2022 12:01am)

Its a state and federal issue. The federal government still has an arguable jurisdiction to overrule the states and pass legislation enshrining abortion as a right, like H.R.3755 last year. It would open up another debate about state vs federal jurisdiction, but if the political will was behind it, it would almost certainly withstand judicial scrutiny. But the will isn't behind it. The senate voted 46-48 when it was brought for cloture, not even enough votes to pass it without the filibuster.

Which brings us to the fundamental issue at stake in this ruling: Roe v Wade circumvented the democratic process to let the judiciary commit an act of lawmaking. They had their good political reasons, but not their good legal reasons. The people were always free to vote for representatives and senators to pass legislation at the state and federal levels if pro-choice laws are what they want, and they never did. It is one unelected branch of the government, ostensibly neutral but heavily poisoned by partisanship, assigned by mere luck of the draw, crafting laws. It was never tenable or defensible. They tied the law into a knot and now we're going to see how catastrophic it can be when they unkink it. And there will be a lot of discussions about how much more could have and should have been done to address abortion at the legislative level during the decades the courts had usurped it.

Quote (excellence @ May 3 2022 12:04am)

https://i.imgur.com/UbDlX1x.png

oh dear here we go. more barricades in the capital. a mark of the current administration. walls everywhere surrounding taxpayer-funded property