If you can be starved because everybody can take your stuff you have no freedom. Sounds like you're more interested in the freedom to get a welfare check instead of real freedom that lets you live the life you see fit.

But you can go take stuff from somewhere else if you are free. Just keep the circle going it's pretty simple.

I'm more interested in freedom from everything since that's what freedom is. You just want to limit freedom because you hate freedom.

This post was edited by Subwoofer on Apr 1 2022 10:40pm

Communist thinks that if we aren't free to starve our neighbor by stealing his food we aren't really free.

Public education strikes again.

So only limit freedom to take others food then?

Good with freedom of everything else?

Sure, and then when their food is dependent on their business being profitable you just have the same situation. You're stealing their food by stealing their poperty

Glad you understand. You might be the 1% of communists that can learn

Why would food stability require a business to be profitable? Profit is extra and therefore unnecessary. You now need more than just food sustainability, why?

If there's no profit the owners take home no money and therefore can't buy food for themselves.

Man, that has to be one of the dumbest arguments ever.

That's not profit. Profit is purely excess. If you need a budget for other things that's included in basic income. Profit exist off someone else loss and therefore limits their freedom to not be taken advantage of.

You're just describing capitalism and trying to call it freedom at this point. You even brought money and profit into a discussion about food stability.

Pretty sure people farmed and traded with each other long before the profit and money made it into the mix.

You are redefining profit so it suits your communist agenda. Profit is anything left over after cost to sell. Payment to the owners is taken out of the profit. Profit is not "purely excess" it is the life blood that makes the store exist in the first place. No profit = no store = you starve.

That's why communists had bread lines and why I can go down the road to get a big mac any time of day.

Even the earliest men still had profit considerations. We literally have tablets from ancient sumeria about people getting refunds for unarrived shipments. YOu can call it something else, but adding value and taking that extra for yourself is how all advancements are made. Too bad your communist ideology can't account for basic reality.

The cost to sale is a cost factored into sustainability. Running at a loss, breaking even, and profit are entirely different things.

You should look into the timeline of humans as it may surprise you humans farmed thousands of years before Sumeria existed.

To your actual point: How is a refund for goods not delivered a profit based thing? That's literally just a refund and has nothing to do with profit.

Profit would be: My cost to obtain/store/distribute and item is $1 per unit, but i'll charge $2 per unit and keep the other $1 for myself while the business continues to run at $1 a unit overall cost to me.