That you suddenly see Ukraine as some sort of deeply-respected nation state with a completely legitimate and democratic government steeped in the values of fair elections and republicanism shows how susceptible to propaganda you are on this subject. Look into it.

Watch yourself

Pretty much. There are degrees of it- sending more military aid for ukrainians to use vs having a fleet in the sea vs troops on the border vs troops inside ukraine vs preemptively invading russia vs nuking the kremlin.
But there's no real way we could have staved off a Ukrainian invasion without it being a de facto NATO member, which is what the whole point of the Russian invasion is to preempt in the first place.
Trump crossed over that red line when he sent lethal arms to Ukraine, and Putin can cite that as pretext, but Trump never went full blown military deployment and we can't know what he would have done in the same scenario, or if that scenario exists only but for him losing. And we sure can't gauge what Trump actually would have done by what he's saying now either. Or for that matter, even what he'd say if he was in power.



Insurrections and nazi war criminals are good now bruh. Its why PBS was giving a puff piece interview to that mayor with a framed picture of a holocaust architect on his wall without a hint of skepticism or irony. Its not Saucy who sees Ukraine as some sort of golden shining example of liberty and democracy, its the entire neoliberal world order in the US and EU.

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we made false heroes of the soviets because they helped beat the nazis, only to make false heroes of the nazis because they are fighting the Russians.

time really is a circle.

What did the nazi's do wrong in the eyes of the west other than invade czechoslovakia.
Britan Gleefully supported them up until that point and wanted them to eventually invade russia.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1566069/russia-will-nationalize-assets-of-foreign-firms-that-leave-ruling-party

Unsurprising reciprocal action by Russia. Now pushing a bill in the federal assembly that says that if a firm is more than 25% foreign owned by hostile states and has declared it will withdraw from Russian markets, they can seize the firm's assets and put them into external administration. Companies will have five days to change their minds and resume, or sell their company to new owners who will resume business in Russia, otherwise a court will appoint administration for three months of nationalized operations before its liquidation to private ownershio.

at face value its more evenhanded than "seize their yachts now, come up with a plan later"

https://www.classical-music.com/news/cardiff-philharmonic-removes-tchaikovsky-from-programme-in-light-of-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/

V For Vendetta came true 16 years later. Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture has been banned by High Chancellor adam sutler “I’m Helping”

wild to me how many people on this forum want to boost russia to score some political points against dems instead of standing for democracy

Russia's VTB and other major banks are now offering deposit accounts in RMB, in addition to SWIFT being replaced by China's UnionPay. Erdogan and Putin held a phone call on Sunday and details are out, Erdogan agreed to trade with Russia using the Ruble, RMB or Gold, instead of the USD or Euro. What we're seeing isn't the gradual decline of US petrodollar dominance of world markets, what we're seeing is someone launching it out of a cannon to see how fast it can be done. Its not just going to be dominos gently knocking down one by one, its going to be the entire board blown down. As soon as they start trading oil for RMB, the dollar is jeopardized.

damn, really thought this would be a multi year transition