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Feb 5 2022 01:49pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 5 2022 12:38pm)
Odd flex. To people who watched CNN in 2020, or MSNBC/NBC, any channel/service owned by Disney, ABC, CBS, etc. their watching time was full of nothing but Democrat ad campaigns, the news pundits were all pro-Democrat, etc. They also cut off Presidential speeches, or refused to air them. To people who watched Fox News, there was a bit more balance, they have/had multiple contributors who are Democrats, but the leaning is more towards the Republican side. To viewers of The Blaze, Daily Wire, Breitbart, RT, etc. the leaning was absolutely Republican, and the advertising was mostly Republican. Why? To influence the outcome of the election.

Do you want all these media and news companies shut down too? Or is it just maybe possible that having outlets that cater to a certain viewpoint can be useful in helping inform people enough to make up their own minds? If you go to Youtube, left-leaning content creators such as The Young Turks and major media companies like CNN are heavily promoted. Go to Rumble, right leaning content creators, politicians, and right leaning media companies are more heavily promoted. Go to Minds or gab or parlor, right leaning speech is heavily favored. Should they all be shut down, since they could influence the outcome of an election?

The point is not, and never was, to make companies impartial. If Facebook/Twitter/Youtube only wants the politics of Democrats allowed, that's fine. If another platform pops up that provides the same service that only wants the politics of Republicans allowed, that's fine too. They aren't the "enemy of the state" in any way. Everyone is allowed to their right to "influence" elections. Every time you discuss politics you're attempting to influence elections. Foreigners who've never been to the US (especially that sauci character) are constantly trying to influence our elections. That's neither wrong, nor illegal. The question, and the ONLY question, is whether Social Media giants such as YouTwitFace, Rumble, etc. should be classed as Utilities, or acknowledged as simple private companies who have the right to freedom of association.



Nobody is required to give air time to POTUS. No element of media. They can choose to do so, or not to do so. Are you going to call CNN the enemy of the state because they cut off a bunch of his speeches, or didn't air them at all?

YouTwitFace did not prevent or alter your vote. You made your own decision on who to vote for, just like anyone else. The fact that YouTwitFace may have altered their content guidelines in a way that could influence you to vote Democrat rather than Republican? Vary out your source material. If you're getting all your information from Social Media, your information level sucks.

Media has been determining what we see and hear from and about our politicians since we became a nation. And their right to do so is engrained in the First Amendment. While inconvenient, that's what it is.


They should be held accountable for that as well.

I'm just going to call you El Diablo the context ripper, Pro-cartel and let you sink in your yacht.

This post was edited by Superman on Feb 5 2022 01:53pm
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Feb 5 2022 12:38pm)
Odd flex. To people who watched CNN in 2020, or MSNBC/NBC, any channel/service owned by Disney, ABC, CBS, etc. their watching time was full of nothing but Democrat ad campaigns, the news pundits were all pro-Democrat, etc. They also cut off Presidential speeches, or refused to air them. To people who watched Fox News, there was a bit more balance, they have/had multiple contributors who are Democrats, but the leaning is more towards the Republican side. To viewers of The Blaze, Daily Wire, Breitbart, RT, etc. the leaning was absolutely Republican, and the advertising was mostly Republican. Why? To influence the outcome of the election.

Do you want all these media and news companies shut down too? Or is it just maybe possible that having outlets that cater to a certain viewpoint can be useful in helping inform people enough to make up their own minds? If you go to Youtube, left-leaning content creators such as The Young Turks and major media companies like CNN are heavily promoted. Go to Rumble, right leaning content creators, politicians, and right leaning media companies are more heavily promoted. Go to Minds or gab or parlor, right leaning speech is heavily favored. Should they all be shut down, since they could influence the outcome of an election?

The point is not, and never was, to make companies impartial. If Facebook/Twitter/Youtube only wants the politics of Democrats allowed, that's fine. If another platform pops up that provides the same service that only wants the politics of Republicans allowed, that's fine too. They aren't the "enemy of the state" in any way. Everyone is allowed to their right to "influence" elections. Every time you discuss politics you're attempting to influence elections. Foreigners who've never been to the US (especially that sauci character) are constantly trying to influence our elections. That's neither wrong, nor illegal. The question, and the ONLY question, is whether Social Media giants such as YouTwitFace, Rumble, etc. should be classed as Utilities, or acknowledged as simple private companies who have the right to freedom of association.



Nobody is required to give air time to POTUS. No element of media. They can choose to do so, or not to do so. Are you going to call CNN the enemy of the state because they cut off a bunch of his speeches, or didn't air them at all?

YouTwitFace did not prevent or alter your vote. You made your own decision on who to vote for, just like anyone else. The fact that YouTwitFace may have altered their content guidelines in a way that could influence you to vote Democrat rather than Republican? Vary out your source material. If you're getting all your information from Social Media, your information level sucks.

Media has been determining what we see and hear from and about our politicians since we became a nation. And their right to do so is engrained in the First Amendment. While inconvenient, that's what it is.


I understand you're being realistic, but all I'm really saying is there needs to be way more accountability in the world and I'm sure you agree with that.
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Feb 5 2022 01:55pm
yahoo:
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GoFundMe said in the Friday statement that it banned fundraising for the protest after learning "from law enforcement that the previously peaceful demonstration has become an occupation, with police reports of violence and other unlawful activity."
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newsweek:
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Conservatives Vent Fury as GoFundMe Cancels Canadian Truckers' Fundraiser
The Canadian House of Commons' committee on public safety voted unanimously on Thursday to call GoFundMe to testify about the Freedom Convoy's fundraiser.
The committee is seeking information about what measures GoFundMe has in place to "ensure the funds are not being used to promote extremism, white supremacy, anti-Semitism and other forms of hate, which have been expressed among prominent organizers for the truck convoy currently in Ottawa."
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Feb 5 2022 01:56pm
9 million dollars?
If it was my 9 million dollars the Ceo of gofundme would get a little visit
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Feb 5 2022 02:07pm
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9 million dollars?
If it was my 9 million dollars the Ceo of gofundme would get a little visit


What do you means by a "little visit" ?
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What do you means by a "little visit" ?


It's 9 million dollars.
Who cares about the visit?
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Feb 5 2022 02:10pm
Quote (Superman @ 5 Feb 2022 11:55)
I understand you're being realistic, but all I'm really saying is there needs to be way more accountability in the world and I'm sure you agree with that.


I really want to agree with you, but unfortunately, you aren't really talking about personal accountability. You're talking about holding other people accountable for things you don't like. That sounds a lot more like Authoritarianism, to me.

Promoting social media specifically, as well as banks and payment processors to the level of public utility would resolve most of the political censorship issues. That being said, standard media and websites (including JSP) are just fine the way they are.

And being promoted to public utility status would absolve YouTwitFace and all the others from any liability for content on their servers. Like, a person could livestream themselves murdering someone, and it's "fine" from the utility perspective. Authorities present the platform with a warrant as well as request to lock the account, they can then gain the evidence of the event and the perpetrator can be legally prevented from future access to that utility, primarily by sitting in a steel cage for the next 20 years.

Like, when Twitter/Facebook took down Trump's video telling the Jan 6 crowd they had crossed the line and to stop and go home, they prevented those people from seeing his message, right? Were they a utility, they could not have removed it, and things may well have ended much faster than they did. Granted, if things had ended faster than they did, then this year long charade of "OMG insurrection!" wouldn't be a thing, but hey, whatever, right?

But your version of "accountability" isn't to take the steps necessary to add both indemnification and a secure legal process to these services. Instead, it's to censor them for censoring you? I mean, that's not accountability, nor is it even justice. They are businesses. This is how they make a living. You just use it free to shitpost. And don't try to tell me that 95% of Trump's tweets weren't just shitposting. We both know different. Taking away their livelihood because they censored some shitposting isn't accountability. It's simple revenge over someone or something you don't like.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 5 2022 02:13pm
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Feb 5 2022 02:13pm
Quote (meWW @ Feb 5 2022 01:56pm)
9 million dollars?
If it was my 9 million dollars the Ceo of gofundme would get a little visit


Careful, they just want you to dox yourself.
So they can report you.
It's the preferred way of internet cowards.
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Feb 5 2022 02:16pm
Quote (sirthom @ Feb 5 2022 09:13pm)
Careful, they just want you to dox yourself.
So they can report you.
It's the preferred way of internet cowards.


They can dox but don't expect me not to know who they are. :rolleyes:
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Feb 5 2022 02:26pm
Quote (meWW @ 5 Feb 2022 20:16)
They can dox but don't expect me not to know who they are. :rolleyes:


are they shitmultis ?
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